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infection said:
The key to beating us is setting a screen. That’s it. That’s the secret.
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Delete this post before others find out… don’t give away our trade secrets
 
Ujfanatic said:
The sad truth is I actually think the Jazz are not just one player away from being championship contending, but probably multiple players. The team is built for regular season success, but I think will be vulnerable in any playoff series with a team that can outplay the analytics by scoring at an above-average clip from the mid-range. As good as Conley and Mitchell can be together on the offensive end, I worry that back court will always be too small on defense. Having Bogey and Clarkson in the rotation is offensively potent but a total liability on defense.

Gobert gives us an unbelievably good "Option A" defense, but does limit what is possible for an "Option B". We essentially need perimeter defenders that are physically strong and agile enough to fight over screens and guard a player out in space. Finding that type of player who is not a liability on offense is a very tall order. The best case scenario is finding a diamond-in-the-rough prospect, but the Jazz haven't had much luck with their 2nd rounder/undrafted types lately.

It will be very hard to upgrade the defense without hurting the offense but I think they have to try. I don't want to be stuck in the "good but not great" world. I too am afraid of what Ainge might do, but am also not as protective of our current roster as others might be. While I admittedly let myself get excited last year when the team was cooking prior to the all-star break, I have always had a nagging sense that this roster is fundamentally flawed in its construction. If there is a move out there that can add size to our back court and athleticism to our wings I think we have to try, even if it means a major shakeup. In my mind, everyone but Donovan and Rudy are tradable.
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The Jazz are like the Chris Paul/James Harden/Eric Gordon Houston Rockets. The problem is that we don't have our Trevor Ariza and PJ Tucker. Eh, or maybe Royce O'Neal is a bit like PJ Tucker.
 
Jingled said:
Here is a paragraph from Tony Jones article about the Danny Ainge hiring, idiot.

"The Jazz currently resemble a much more robust version of those Celtics, with veteran depth players who know their roles and how to fit together. It seems the bigger questions are whether they can keep the other key scorers around Donovan Mitchell healthy in the spring and if they can find a way to keep Rudy Gobert in the driver’s seat against playoff scheming. If the Jazz fall short of the conference finals for the sixth year of legitimate contention in a row, Ainge won’t be afraid to finally move Gobert or consolidate Utah’s depth for a more potent three-level playmaker."
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Your still an idiot
 
Jingled said:
Here is a paragraph from Tony Jones article about the Danny Ainge hiring, idiot.

"The Jazz currently resemble a much more robust version of those Celtics, with veteran depth players who know their roles and how to fit together. It seems the bigger questions are whether they can keep the other key scorers around Donovan Mitchell healthy in the spring and if they can find a way to keep Rudy Gobert in the driver’s seat against playoff scheming. If the Jazz fall short of the conference finals for the sixth year of legitimate contention in a row, Ainge won’t be afraid to finally move Gobert or consolidate Utah’s depth for a more potent three-level playmaker."
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What's ridiculous about this is the "finally move Gobert", as if it has been obvious for years Gobert does nothing but hold us back and we'd be so much better with a guy at center who can shoot a 3 and who never plays any defense. We won't win anything with defense, we just need to out-shoot everyone so, you know, get Gobert the **** out of there. If that's really the attitude Ainge has i might just need to stop being a jazz fan.
 
We really need Jeremy Grant , he offers so much at the PF that we don’t have , can still score the ball , but rebounding and defending multiple positions would help us immensely
 
jazfan23 said:
We really need Jeremy Grant , he offers so much at the PF that we don’t have , can still score the ball , but rebounding and defending multiple positions would help us immensely
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He’s negligibly better than Bojan at rebounding. And saying negligible may be generous.
 
infection said:
He’s negligibly better than Bojan at rebounding. And saying negligible may be generous.
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His role in Detroit is significantly different than the one he's had in Denver. Not sure how much of a 3D wing defender he's got left in him, but at least he's shown that he's well capable in the past.
 
DWill beat Frank Gore at boxing. I'm utterly surprised. Good for him.

It's nice to know Jerry Sloan could have beat Gore's *** too. One of my most respected NFL players of all time.;)

(That's tongue-in-cheek to the dumbasses on her like Thriller.)
 
infection said:
He’s negligibly better than Bojan at rebounding. And saying negligible may be generous.
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So you’d rather teams keep abusing Boggy ?

Tell me the last time you saw boggy chase down and block someone from behind …

Grant is long … far better finisher around the rim then boggy … actually has an inside game they this team lacks
 
LogGrad98 said:
What's ridiculous about this is the "finally move Gobert", as if it has been obvious for years Gobert does nothing but hold us back and we'd be so much better with a guy at center who can shoot a 3 and who never plays any defense. We won't win anything with defense, we just need to out-shoot everyone so, you know, get Gobert the **** out of there. If that's really the attitude Ainge has i might just need to stop being a jazz fan.
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If we don't seriously contend this postseason, what else do expect us to do? Joe is likely gone. Bojan is fading. Conley isn't far off. Clarkson is yikes.

Players like Rudy are great, but you don't win titles built around guys like Rudy. Or paying guys like Rudy $40+.

We simply don't have the roster that is perfect to compliment Rudy in the playoffs. You need two offensive superstars and multiple great perimeter defenders. We don't have that. We have streaky offensive players who are suspect defenders, one solid defender and Don.

This year is boom or bust. Hopefully, we win and we don't have to worry about it. If we flame out again in the 2nd round or earlier...

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LoPo said:
If we don't seriously contend this postseason, what else do expect us to do? Joe is likely gone. Bojan is fading. Conley isn't far off. Clarkson is yikes.

Players like Rudy are great, but you don't win titles built around guys like Rudy. Or paying guys like Rudy $40+.

We simply don't have the roster that is perfect to compliment Rudy in the playoffs. You need two offensive superstars and multiple great perimeter defenders. We don't have that. We have streaky offensive players who are suspect defenders, one solid defender and Don.

This year is boom or bust. Hopefully, we win and we don't have to worry about it. If we flame out again in the 2nd round or earlier...

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You don’t win titles around a guy like Rudy or build around a guy like Rudy because there has never been a guy like Rudy…

This is the same silly logic people were using with DWill… “you don’t win championships with PGs…”

Also “jump shooting teams don’t win championships.”
 
slc said:
Teams have won titles with DPOY
Jordan, Draymond, Giannis, Hakeem, Wallace, Leonard, to name some
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Of all those you listed Wallace is the only one with limited skills on the offensive end. The rest are elite with the exception of Draymond, who is a great facilitator and can hit an occasional jumper.
 
slc said:
Teams have won titles with DPOY
Jordan, Draymond, Giannis, Hakeem, Wallace, Leonard, to name some
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I appreciate this point, but let's please not compare Gobert to Jordan, Giannis, Hakeem, or Leonard. Each of those players also led their teams in scoring.

Draymond and Wallace are better comparisons but their championship teams were not built around either of those players. Additionally, both of those DPOY players were surrounded by other quality defenders (Klay, Bogut, Iguodala/ Billups, Prince, the other Wallace). Those teams won championships on outstanding team defenses.

I absolutely think the Jazz could build a championship team around Gobert, but they would need to follow the footprint of those Warrior or Piston teams and surround Rudy with talented defenders, and in this era you also need those defenders to be able to hit a 3. You can probably afford one, maybe two players in the rotation who are not as strong defensively but everyone else in the rotation needs to be above average. I think this Jazz roster is a long ways from that.
 
jom2003 said:
Just a simple Google search and see what I found:
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I desperately want Jerami Grant (as do about two dozen teams in the league) but is an overpay. I've been on the trade Bogie bandwagon for a while (though I'm coming around to admitting the people saying we should trade JC instead were right), and this isn't the move to make. I'm not even sure Grant solves the main problem of defending the mid range/fast guards/general anemic perimeter defense.
 
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Not sure Jazz should be giving up future 1st round picks
If they fail in 4 years they are a lottery team with no first round picks
Jazz better be certain they can win a title next 2-3 years
 
slc said:
Not sure Jazz should be giving up future 1st round picks
If they fail in 4 years they are a lottery team with no first round picks
Jazz better be certain they can win a title next 2-3 years
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Just lotto protect it for five years.
 
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