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SoberasHotRod said:
The defensive weak link in our starting guard rotation is not Mike Conley. I guess it could be argued that because Donovan is such a poor defender we need someone who is capable of making up the difference. That guy certainly isn't Brogdon who is probably a worse defender than Conley.
If we are going to be a significantly better team defensively, then Donovan has to step up.
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Brogdon is regarded as a good defender probably because of his Bucks years and he has good size but when I watched Indy last season, he was atrocious. He would clearly make us worse defensively. Conley's size doesn't help him but at least he stays front and knows where to be.
 
infection said:
Here's the trade:

Move Hughes and Udoka anywhere and for anything (besides salary).
Sign Dunn. Sign Johnson.
Waive Oni.

You've now made some shrewd and underrated basketball moves and you've also made some really good financial decisions.

Then watch Quin not use either guy and we flame out in the same fashion. At least your tax bill is lower.
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The fact that Dunn hasn’t been signed in this massive rash of signings is starting to be a pretty clear signal, imo
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Correct, sorry. Trent is much better.

efg% difference
Forrest -10.4
Conley -2.1
O'Neal 0.3
Donovan 7.2
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This is why you put 3 good perimeter defenders around Rudy and Don. And no, I don't believe Mike Conley is a good perimeter defender come playoff time.

We should trade Conley while he has good value. Philly is a perfect spot for Mike.

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Brogdon plays with the ball in his hands a lot. It’s part of the reason he really didn’t want to go back to the Bucks… he doesn’t want to accept the Mike role. He also can’t be traded until the offseason because of his extension… so it’s kinda pointless to discuss now.
 
Also, anybody we sign is going to be someone that didn’t make it through all these signings. Unless we get someone who got a 10 day then didn’t get anything else.
 
From nba.com:

You don’t have the No. 1 offense in the league without big contributions from multiple guys, and Bojan Bogdanovic has certainly been one of those guys for the Jazz, averaging 17.4 points on a career-best effective field goal percentage of 59.5%. Bogdanovic has been ridiculously consistent over the last 12 games, scoring between 13 and 25 points in all 12, with only one game where he registered an effective field goal percentage below 50%. For the season, he’s the only player who’s shot 40% or better on at least 100 3-point attempts and 85% or better on at least 100 free throw attempts. The Jazz got two clutch wins last week and Bogdanovic was their leading clutch scorer, draining three big 3-pointers to help put the Hornets and Mavs away.


Meanwhile Harrison Barnes was -80 over 3 games last week. FYI.

Bogie is untouchable for the rest of this season imo
 
NAOS said:
From nba.com:

You don’t have the No. 1 offense in the league without big contributions from multiple guys, and Bojan Bogdanovic has certainly been one of those guys for the Jazz, averaging 17.4 points on a career-best effective field goal percentage of 59.5%. Bogdanovic has been ridiculously consistent over the last 12 games, scoring between 13 and 25 points in all 12, with only one game where he registered an effective field goal percentage below 50%. For the season, he’s the only player who’s shot 40% or better on at least 100 3-point attempts and 85% or better on at least 100 free throw attempts. The Jazz got two clutch wins last week and Bogdanovic was their leading clutch scorer, draining three big 3-pointers to help put the Hornets and Mavs away.


Meanwhile Harrison Barnes was -80 over 3 games last week. FYI.

Bogie is untouchable for the rest of this season imo
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Good post.

I think Clarkson or Conley should go to improve our perimeter defense, and Conley has the most trade value

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NAOS said:
Conley isn’t going anywhere either.

Totally untouchable at any point: Donovan and Rudy

Totally untouchable this year: Conley and Bogie
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Remember how long it took Conley to integrate and play well in the system? Have to imagine the new guy would have the similar problem.
Can't imagine that's a good idea during an attempted title run.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I’m not sure this is really true of Brogdon’s defense… at least anymore. He gets blown by a lot… the pacers fans kinda hate him. I think he’s good but I think Mike is pretty clearly better. He doesn’t have the volume of Malcolm at this point but that’s by design.

I get that we want to get more size in the backcourt… and wing… but I think it has to come at the expense of a bench guy and not our starters.
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I think Conley is a better individual defender whereas Brogdon is more of a team defender like Covington or Royce, at least from him Milwaukee years. Team defenders don't look as good in a one on one setting as their primary function is to help cover in a switch or mismatch situation. Best example would be Draymond who works best when he already has many good defenders around him so all he needed to do was cleaning up the mess here and there. But you put him on a team with ****** defenders like GSW from a couple of season ago, there would simply be too many holes for him to fill and he would really struggle.

Conley is solid when guarding straight line drives from guards of his size, but in that case, the opponent can simply call for a screen to bypass him and Conley would be an afterthought since we can't really switch. Conley himself really isn't the problem. We just need more team defenders like Royce who has the size and positional versatility to take advantage of individual defensive brilliance from guys like Rudy or Conley, instead of wasting it.
 
campaignist said:
Remember how long it took Conley to integrate and play well in the system? Have to imagine the new guy would have the similar problem.
Can't imagine that's a good idea during an attempted title run.
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it's not really an attempted tile run when there are at least 3-4 teams ranked ahead of us and teams know how to beat us.

The thing with Conley was not really to integrate him in an existing system. In fact, we changed our system entirely as we changed 3 of our 5 starters when he arrived so we were trying to work out a system collectively as a group.

Also, teams on a title run make similar changes all the time. 2019 Raptors and 2020 Lakers. Even 2021 Bucks changed their starting PG from Bled to Jrue. I have a hard time coming up with a team that were treading water for a few years and, without making any major changes to their roster at all, all of a sudden went from second round exit to nba champ.
 
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Trading away the only steady hands this Jazz team is a pretty ludicrous idea. We have seen time and time again that whenever Mitchell has to play PG, the offense gets stagnant and predictable. He is an awesome offensive player but he goes nuclear because he doesn't have to be primary decision-maker when he is out there.

As Ingles regresses, Conley becomes even more important. We need the structure and calm he provides because Ingles isn't there as much.
 
I think it's safe to say Conley and Bogey aren't going anywhere for the rest of this season. Now if we go out in the first or second round of the playoffs yet again then all bets are off for the offseason and I would think that major changes will likely be made.
 
Jerami Grant has outwardly shown that he does not want to be the player we would theoretically want him to be. He’s overrated now as a pseudo first option and if I’m being honest I think he was overrated as a defender/role player in the first place. I don’t hate him as a player, but if we’re able to get Jerami Grant (we can’t), I think we ought to be able to get a better player.
 
jom2003 said:
it's not really an attempted tile run when there are at least 3-4 teams ranked ahead of us and teams know how to beat us.

The thing with Conley was not really to integrate him in an existing system. In fact, we changed our system entirely as we changed 3 of our 5 starters when he arrived so we were trying to work out a system collectively as a group.

Also, teams on a title run make similar changes all the time. 2019 Raptors and 2020 Lakers. Even 2021 Bucks changed their starting PG from Bled to Jrue. I have a hard time coming up with a team that were trending water for a few years and, without making any major changes to their roster at all, all of a sudden went from second round exit to nba champ.
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Hey did you let know Quin and the team know this isn't a real attempt to win a title? I'm sure they'd like to take it easy this year.

I'm pretty sure at least two of those trades were before the season and not right before the trade deadline, haven't looked it up though.

I'm just saying that trading the starting point guard and #3 guy on the team, then integrating his replacement in time for the playoffs, might come with it's own challenges, and I'm not sure it would be worth it this year.
 
infection said:
Also, anybody we sign is going to be someone that didn’t make it through all these signings. Unless we get someone who got a 10 day then didn’t get anything else.
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Exum is hiding in Barcelona right now. He'd be easy to pick up in February when his current contract expires. He could take Miye Oni's roster spot and Trent Forrest's minutes in the rotation.

 
KqWIN said:
Jerami Grant has outwardly shown that he does not want to be the player we would theoretically want him to be. He’s overrated now as a pseudo first option and if I’m being honest I think he was overrated as a defender/role player in the first place. I don’t hate him as a player, but if we’re able to get Jerami Grant (we can’t), I think we ought to be able to get a better player.
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Cam Reddish and Christian Wood can provide the same length, athleticism and shooting as Grant at a lower cost.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Exum is hiding in Barcelona right now. He'd be easy to pick up in February when his current contract expires. He could take Miye Oni's roster spot and Trent Forrest's minutes in the rotation.

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I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually don't hate this idea.
 
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