Trade deadline discussion

[LoPo]

The comparison for Barnes wouldn't be Royce, but for Bogey. No way we get Barnes without moving him

If we do this Barnes thing, I think we have to keep every useful player possible. If we can do it with Ingles, Butler, Hughes and any other small expiring we can give plus a 1st, then let's do it.

I think we will need Royce, Rudy and Clarkson to adequately support a starting lineup of Mike, Don, Barnes, Bojan and Rudy

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

He's CM for @UtahJazzUruguay I think... seems to be very well related to many other southamerican Jazz accounts.
I've read somewhere he was arount the team for a little period of time some weeks ago...
Of course, I have no idea how reliable is the data or his sources...

There are other reports that mentioned the Jazz being after Barnes, including one that said Ingles' injury changed a potential deal.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

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To me, it screams - Why the hell would we trade Donovan? What do we get for Donovan that changes the money and ages of the roster? More than likely, we get picks and a lesser player for Donovan. That doesn't make anybody younger or better or more athletic or cheaper.

I think this is a more "him or me" than it is "I want gone." That is my personal opinion.

All of those guys can be traded too. We would get a lot for Donovan. If he asks out unless we get like Jaylen Brown you just tear it down and rebuild.

And to those that say "we won't get good offers if teams no we are rebuilding".... that is flat out not true... if anything it can start a bidding war. Demand can be created a lot of ways.

If Don asked out and you got a bunch of good picks and a young player or two... you can then flip Rudy, Mike, Bogey, Royce for good stuff as well. JC is likely slightly negative but not so much that we can't just live with him.

I'm not saying trade either guy but we talk like its the end of the world if a guy asked out. It isn't... doing everything to placate him and neutering your future and then having him ask out is catastrophic. Ryan and management need to do what is right for the franchise... they can involve Donovan but he is not the franchise... no one player is. If he doesn't like it and wants out you get the mother load for trading him (he gets no say in where he goes) and you move forward. He's not Lebron or KD.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

The comparison for Barnes wouldn't be Royce, but for Bogey. No way we get Barnes without moving him

Ingles, Royce and picks would probably be the deal. Maybe we throw in a young player. I don't see the Kings wanting Bogdanovic.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya8v6rkw

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The last thing you need to worry about Barnes is feeding him on offense. He's your ultimate low-usage player who has no trouble chilling on the corner for 30min. His 19% usage is tenth lowest on the Kings this season, lower than Tristian Thompson.

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Then are you really utilizing the guy well? Like you mentioned... it really only makes sense if we also move Bogey.

Salary wise you would need to move someone next year anyway.

 

[Jingled]

If we do this Barnes thing, I think we have to keep every useful player possible. If we can do it with Ingles, Butler, Hughes and any other small expiring we can give plus a 1st, then let's do it.

I think we will need Royce, Rudy and Clarkson to adequately support a starting lineup of Mike, Don, Barnes, Bojan and Rudy

We would literally be better off trading Clarkson for a bag of chips than we would keeping him, that's how bad he's been on both ends of the court. Addition by subtraction.

 

[LoPo]

We would literally be better off trading Clarkson for a bag of chips than we would keeping him, that's how bad he's been on both ends of the court. Addition by subtraction.

I don't know. He's a hot hand guy, and Quin trusts him. I'd rather keep him than just dump him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We would literally be better off trading Clarkson for a bag of chips than we would keeping him, that's how bad he's been on both ends of the court. Addition by subtraction.

I'm fine riding with JC at this point if we don't get a little value in a trade. If we can move him into NOP trade exception I'd do it... He has shot better in January and could have a couple good months that push his value higher in the offseason.

I also think just about any move we make is just putting lipstick on the pig at this point. I barely thought we were fringe contenders to start the season and have written off those hopes. If we make it past round 1 we can throw a parade. Unless the Suns and Warriors are injured we ain't getting past them. Nuggs might be healthier in the postseason and would be a tough out... Memphis might beat our *** too.... they locked in.

So if you find something for him great, but I'm not gonna force the issue.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I love the guy and always will but losing Ingles is more of a personnel and locker room hit than on the court hit. He was out of shape and looked washed.

Yeah but he could roll out of bed and still be the best passer on the team and somehow be fine defensively (by the numbers, not by the eye-test). I think the trade rumors ****ed up his shooting more than anything else.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah but he could roll out of bed and still be the best passer on the team and somehow be fine defensively (by the numbers, not by the eye-test). I think the trade rumors ****ed up his shooting more than anything else.

He was overweight... never looked like he had his legs... when you carry extra weight it really effs everything up. No legs will wreck your jumpshot.

 

[jom2003]

Then are you really utilizing the guy well? Like you mentioned... it really only makes sense if we also move Bogey.

Salary wise you would need to move someone next year anyway.

No, but that's the good thing about him. He doesn't need to be "well utilized" to be effective. I agree we'd have to move Bogey if we want to bring in Barnes

 

[jom2003]

Ingles, Royce and picks would probably be the deal. Maybe we throw in a young player. I don't see the Kings wanting Bogdanovic.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya8v6rkw

Doesn't have to be the Kings. We can send Bogey somewhere else in a three way deal

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't get the Barnes thing...

Everyone: We must get better defensively

Jazz: Let's get the guy on the worst defensive team in the league (almost 28th) with the worst on/off defensive splits... but he looks really athletic.

Maybe he's dogging it but its a weird target imo. Unless there is a second move where Bogey goes out for a guy who is actually good defensively.

 

[LoPo]

Doesn't have to be the Kings. We can send Bogey somewhere else in a three way deal

I mean, if we are intent on Barnes, what about:

Sacramento gets Ingles, Schroder, Butler and draft compensation from Boston and Utah
Boston gets Bojan
Utah gets Barnes and Smart

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9bgjylp

 

[416Klawzz]

He's an upgrade over Royce O'Neale, which I think is the goal. Barnes has more size/length, has more offense, and he rebounds. What the Jazz are looking for is a player like Rudy Gay, except that he can still play at a solid starter level.

Anyone is an upgrade over Royce

 

[jom2003]

I don't get the Barnes thing...

Everyone: We must get better defensively

Jazz: Let's get the guy on the worst defensive team in the league (almost 28th) with the worst on/off defensive splits... but he looks really athletic.

Maybe he's dogging it but its a weird target imo. Unless there is a second move where Bogey goes out for a guy who is actually good defensively.

Doesn't need him to be the mega defensive stopper. What we want is "flexibility" which Barnes will provide. He can rebound, pass/put the ball on the floor without turning it over, and also shoot the three ball at over 40%.

He's also younger and barely miss games for reasons other than COVID.

Basically everything that Bogey can do, Barnes can do better(including game winners). Everything Bogey can't do, Barnes can do also. Yes Barnes advance stats aren't pretty, but Boegy also has one of the leagues ugliest advance splits amongst all starters in this league.

 

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My Warriors fan brother is really high on Kuminga, which he also was (guess still is) on Wiseman.

Why the **** would the warriors trade for Mitchell over Gobert, idiots!!!

 

[Jingled]

I don't know. He's a hot hand guy, and Quin trusts him. I'd rather keep him than just dump him.

That's a big part of the problem, Quin trusts him too much.

 

[homeytennis]

That's a big part of the problem, Quin trusts him too much.

Also JC does not trust Ainge. He was teammates with Isiah Thomas after Ainge rotted IT. Also JC has played PG earlier in his career and has some decent assist numbers.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Doesn't need him to be the mega defensive stopper. What we want is "flexibility" which Barnes will provide. He can rebound, pass/put the ball on the floor without turning it over, and also shoot the three ball at over 40%.

He's also younger and barely miss games for reasons other than COVID.

Basically everything that Bogey can do, Barnes can do better(including game winners). Everything Bogey can't do, Barnes can do also. Yes Barnes advance stats aren't pretty, but Boegy also has one of the leagues ugliest advance splits amongst all starters in this league.

I mean cool... he's not as good of a shooter. Getting a slightly better bogey (maybe) is awesome... but when you realize that Bogey is slightly underused already you start to ask why give up assets to make that deal. I mean if you can snake Smart for Bogey and also do the Barnes deal great. The Bogey deals are a little tricky.

I just don't see how it all comes together.