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I'd like to know more about black history in Utah. What I do know is that the African American population in Utah is pretty small. I grew up in one of the most diverse neighborhoods in Utah (Glendale) and I knew only a few black people.

Are there any good African restaurants in the valley? Markets (I think I've seen one)?

What are some of the best African American owned businesses in the area?

Do we even have any African American / Black users here? I'm not asking anyone to "out" themself if they don't want to, but I don't really know of a user who has explicitly expressed the POC point of view.
 
Gameface said:
I'd like to know more about black history in Utah. What I do know is that the African American population in Utah is pretty small. I grew up in one of the most diverse neighborhoods in Utah (Glendale) and I knew only a few black people.

Are there any good African restaurants in the valley? Markets (I think I've seen one)?

What are some of the best African American owned businesses in the area?

Do we even have any African American / Black users here? I'm not asking anyone to "out" themself if they don't want to, but I don't really know of a user who has explicitly expressed the POC point of view.
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I did a couple of those DNA things (MyHeritage and 23andMe) and I found out I am probably the whitest person on the planet. 70% scandinavian, 29% bitish isles, 1% from the Balkans. Even my birth mother has like 1% from Nigeria or something, but not me. I do not know who my birth father is but I know 2 things about him that must be true. 1) he is devastatingly handsome and 2) he must be whiter than cottage cheese.

I also did not have much exposure to many different ethnicities growing up. My kids, I feel, have been much luckier in this regard as we have lived places with much more diverse ethnicities. My youngest graduating from Redlands East Valley High School had one other white girl in her friend group, while of the remaining dozen or so that came to our house regularly, all were either hispanic or black and 2 had Korean heritage. It was an interesting and fun group of kids.
 
Horn of Africa is great, has great Somali food. There is an ethiopian place we used to go to...gotta google that. Ok, it is called Mahider Ethiopian. Loved that place, nice vibe.

I know there was a barbecue place we really liked that was black owned, can't remember which one. Google didn't help on that one, it has been too long for us being out of state for 6 years now.
 
Avery said:
Spot on analysis IMO:

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I completely disagree with this and have disagreed with Morgan Freeman on race issues most of the time I've heard him express his opinions.
 
Avery said:
Spot on analysis IMO:

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I kind of get where he is coming from. I have heard similar sentiments from other black people I know. Stop calling me a black man, I am just a man, no different from you, so if we keep labeling everyone we, by necessity, perpetuate a separation. If we see a headline Florida Man gets bitten by a dog in his underwear (don't worry about why the dog was wearing his underwear), we laugh and point and say "at least I am not from Florida, the idiot" or "of course, leave it to those Florida idiots to do something like that", as it basically gives us permission to group them all together and belittle them for their "florida-ness", but if we see that a man was bitten by a dog in his underwear, well now it can be any of us and there is a little less of separation by group. Other than why men are putting dogs in their underwear, but that is a different conversation.

But then again, I am just a white guy trying to figure out how this all works when everything seems to get me in trouble, and that is just with my wife, let alone out there in the world of race relations. I just try to do better, that is all I can do.
 
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Morgan Freeman is suggesting we pretend to be living in a world that doesn't exist yet. Just pretending that it does, for those of us who want that world to be real, doesn't change the fact that it can't be real because there are still far too many of us who DON'T want it to be real.
 
Gameface said:
Morgan Freeman is suggesting we pretend to be living in a world that doesn't exist yet. Just pretending that it does, for those of us who want that world to be real, doesn't change the fact that it can't be real because there are still far too many of us who DON'T want it to be real.
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But at the same time, if EVERYONE just keeps the status quo NOTHING will ever change. It takes one person making a change to get others to make a change, which helps others change, etc.


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bigb said:
But at the same time, if EVERYONE just keeps the status quo NOTHING will ever change. It takes one person making a change to get others to make a change, which helps others change, etc.
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I agree with the sentiment, but Freeman's position is the one that requires no one to change.
 
Scat said:
I find his opinion very refreshing.
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Gameface views Black people like they are zoo animals. In this thread he is essentially asking “does anyone know where the best Black People exhibits are?” Of course he’s going to disagree with an exhibit saying “we’re ordinary people like everyone else”. Gameface sees Black people as alien all the way down to having a hive-mind singular “the POC point of view”. Wokesters are some of the most racist people in America. Morgan Freeman has it completely nailed that we’ll all be better off when we recognize Morgan and Mike rather than ‘the Black man’ and ‘the Jew’.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Gameface views Black people like they are zoo animals. In this thread he is essentially asking “does anyone know where the best Black People exhibits are?” Of course he’s going to disagree with an exhibit saying “we’re ordinary people like everyone else”. Gameface sees Black people as alien all the way down to having a hive-mind singular “the POC point of view”. Wokesters are some of the most racist people in America. Morgan Freeman has it completely nailed that we’ll all be better off when we recognize Morgan and Mike rather than ‘the Black man’ and ‘the Jew’.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think we'll ever truly overcome racial bias (or bias for religion, disability, anything really). We've had countless generations and thousands of years to do it and it's a fool's hope to wish it into existence.

But I do appreciate Freeman stating that black history is American history - the two should be eternally intertwined vs. trying to highlight it in a specific month.
 
I feel like Morgan Freeman's comment here is aspirational - maybe that's how things would be if we were living in a perfect, or even good, society, but we're not. Look at it this way: Would you take these comments the same if they were said by Martin Freeman?
 
LogGrad98 said:
Now it is just trolling.
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Is it? Gameface tied together Black History Month and African restaurants. (?!?!) To see how racist that is, take your example of Mahinder Ethiopian founded by Sleshi Tadesse who came from Ethiopia in the late 1990’s to study computer science at Weber State. His story is interesting and Salt Lake City is a better place for Sleshi’s inclusion but WTF does Sleshi Tadesse have to do with the history of slavery or the fight for civil rights? Nothing. I think grouping people by skin color is gross. It isn’t noble or empathetic and I won’t pretend that it is.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Is it? Gameface tied together Black History Month and African restaurants. (?!?!) To see how racist that is, take your example of Mahinder Ethiopian founded by Sleshi Tadesse who came from Ethiopia in the late 1990’s to study computer science at Weber State. His story is interesting and Salt Lake City is a better place for Sleshi’s inclusion but WTF does Sleshi Tadesse have to do with the history of slavery or the fight for civil rights? Nothing. I think grouping people by skin color is gross. It isn’t noble or empathetic and I won’t pretend that it is.
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It's way more broad than that. But I'm sure you know that and just picked one aspect that served your agenda
 
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