Trade deadline discussion

[LoPo]

Because it's absurd. You can't seriously tell me the Jazz are better without Conley than with him. You have a pea brain dude.

I'm not saying we are better without Conley. I'm saying that the playoffs have shown us that he doesn't make the difference we need to get over the hump.

I would much, much, much rather have Conley than not have him. But he just hasn't been worth the trade when we need him to be.

 

[LoPo]

Of course we are better with Mike on the floor, there is no doubt. He is a top-tier player, near-all-star, and plays a role that is important for us.

None of this means he was the best acquisition nor the best fit nor what we really needed. None of this means we didn't overpay for the privilege of having the smallest defensively-challenged back-court in the NBA. We should have had a different target, as good and as likeable as Mike is. He just isn't what we needed. Swap Mike for, idk Brown or Grant, or even Brogdon and add an adequate PG and we would be well ahead of where we are now.

That's a really good post.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

Lol. Sure. That's what we said.

I mean c'mon. The argument is simple:

Conley is good
but
Conley doesn't put us over the top

In the mind of many, we gave up way more to get Conley than what we got.

I think the price was too steep, but given the options I like that the Jazz went for it.

 

[jom2003]

I think the price was too steep, but given the options I like that the Jazz went for it.

Both Paul and Holiday were made available exactly a season after. Suns got Paul for...Rubio.

meaning we keep Ricky for one more season and we can put together the same package.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My favorite thing is that every thread eventually devolves into either a dumb debate about the Conley trade or a dumb debate about Rudy and Donovan.

 

[MT Steve]

Both Paul and Holiday were made available exactly a season after. Suns got Paul for...Rubio.

meaning we keep Ricky for one more season and we can put together the same package.

Man, just go make a new thread called "Bitching about the Conley trade" so everybody who hijacks multiple threads with the exact same drivel can just keep it in there, and the rest of us can actually enjoy the forum again.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

When are you going to post something that's more than just your opinion?

There are no facts that support that we have been a better playoff team with Conley than without.

I'm not saying we are better without Conley. I'm saying that the playoffs have shown us that he doesn't make the difference we need to get over the hump.

I would much, much, much rather have Conley than not have him. But he just hasn't been worth the trade when we need him to be.

You asked me to prove we are better with Conley than without lmfao then you backtrack You're too stupid to even form coherent thoughts as to what you believe.

You move the goalpost so much you have no idea what you are arguing about, it's ****ing crazy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Both Paul and Holiday were made available exactly a season after. Suns got Paul for...Rubio.

meaning we keep Ricky for one more season and we can put together the same package.

Had we waited we likely could have snatched Paul for free... people forget how far his trade value had fallen. OKC would have taken expirings and some small assets. Of course no one thought the guy would bounce back and you could have been taking a chance that would have sunk the cap for years to come.

My only issue was we paid 25% too much in the trade imo. The other stuff is just revisionist history with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[jom2003]

Man, just go make a new thread called "Bitching about the Conley trade" so everybody who hijacks multiple threads with the exact same drivel can just keep it in there, and the rest of us can actually enjoy the forum again.

if "admitting Conley for what he is" is "bitching" I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[LoPo]

You asked me to prove we are better with Conley than without lmfao then you backtrack You're too stupid to even form coherent thoughts as to what you believe.

You move the goalpost so much you have no idea what you are arguing about, it's ****ing crazy.

Forrest Gump could get this:

I think Mike Conley is a good player but I feel like we gave up too much for him in that trade. Our postseason record with or without him does not reflect the price that it took to get him.

Do I need crayons?

 

[MT Steve]

if "admitting Conley for what he is" is "bitching" I don't know what else to tell you.

The wording really isn't important. Clearly you and a select other few just want to keep arguing about a nearly 3 year old trade.

Go make your own thread and contain in there instead of derailing multiple threads.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Forrest Gump could get this:

I think Mike Conley is a good player but I feel like we gave up too much for him in that trade. Our postseason record with or without him does not reflect the price that it took to get him.

Do I need crayons?

Is this your final moving of the goalpost or should I expect more?

Conley was +17.8 on/off for the playoffs last year. If you dont think he would have made a tangible difference in the Clippers series you are a moron. If you dont think Conley would have stayed in front of his man better than any Jazz defender trying to take on Reggie Jackson, you're a moron. If you don't think having one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA on the court makes a difference, you're a moron.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Of course we are better with Mike on the floor, there is no doubt. He is a top-tier player, near-all-star, and plays a role that is important for us.

None of this means he was the best acquisition nor the best fit nor what we really needed. None of this means we didn't overpay for the privilege of having the smallest defensively-challenged back-court in the NBA. We should have had a different target, as good and as likeable as Mike is. He just isn't what we needed. Swap Mike for, idk Brown or Grant, or even Brogdon and add an adequate PG and we would be well ahead of where we are now.

This always makes me laugh when people mention this. What adequate PG would we be adding after using all of our assets to acquire Grant?

 

[Elizah Huge]

LoPo should be banned from talking about Conley dude has the worst takes I’ve ever seen. Skip Bayless on LeBron level type of ****.

 

[LoPo]

Had we waited we likely could have snatched Paul for free... people forget how far his trade value had fallen. OKC would have taken expirings and some small assets. Of course no one thought the guy would bounce back and you could have been taking a chance that would have sunk the cap for years to come.

My only issue was we paid 25% too much in the trade imo. The other stuff is just revisionist history with the benefit of hindsight.

I don't think a person in this forum complains one bit about Conley if the price wasn't as high or we would have progressed further.

People relentlessly defending Conley fail to remember that Conley not only cost us those 5 assets, but he also got paid $35 million a year hampering other growth.

Nobody hates Conley - we are just calling it what it is.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think a person in this forum complains one bit about Conley if the price wasn't as high or we would have progressed further.

People relentlessly defending Conley fail to remember that Conley not only cost us those 5 assets, but he also got paid $35 million a year hampering other growth.

Nobody hates Conley - we are just calling it what it is.

It was a fantastic trade and I'd do it again, only earlier so we would have gotten an extra year of Conley's excellence.

Was it an absolute shellacking of another team? No. It was a 100% fair trade on both sides.

And you hate Conley. When you act like Jae Crowder is more important than Mike Conley, that is being a hater. Either that or youre just extremely stupid.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If we had nailed like 1 out of 4 or 5 bad moves after the Conley deal we'd be gold.

Even if we just don't sign Favs last year and keep that first... its a lot easier to use that first to address issues. We have a couple additional seconds as well cuz we just keep Tony Bradley.

Now we HAVE to hit on one of these minor moves to stay where we've been or move to the next level.

 

[LoPo]

Is this your final moving of the goalpost or should I expect more?

Conley was +17.8 on/off for the playoffs last year. If you dont think he would have made a tangible difference in the Clippers series you are a moron. If you dont think Conley would have stayed in front of his man better than any Jazz defender trying to take on Reggie Jackson, you're a moron. If you don't think having one of the best 3pt shooters in the NBA on the court makes a difference, you're a moron.

My goalposts have been in the exact same place on Conley since day 1 : If he doesn't help take us further in the playoffs, it's an awful deal.

@Handlogten's Heros is talking about how we failed in all the minor deals since Mike. Well, our margin for error was so thin because our asset cupboard was bare and Mike was making $35+ a year. We had to be perfect in every move after Mike because so much hinged on Mike. And it hasn't panned out.

 

[jom2003]

Had we waited we likely could have snatched Paul for free... people forget how far his trade value had fallen. OKC would have taken expirings and some small assets. Of course no one thought the guy would bounce back and you could have been taking a chance that would have sunk the cap for years to come.

My only issue was we paid 25% too much in the trade imo. The other stuff is just revisionist history with the benefit of hindsight.

i mean how much of hindsight do you need to take Paul over Conley...

professional sports is all about vision and decision-making, which is why there's only one champion every year with 29 losers pondering they "should've done this" or "could've done that". No one thought Paul would bounce back. well, Phoenix saw it and pulled the trigger. No one thought Pels would ever trade Jrue, well, Bucks saw the opportunity and went for it, which is why they won it and we did not.

it's ok to admit it, then think what we could do better. instead of trying to justify our past mistakes

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My goalposts have been in the exact same place on Conley since day 1 : If he doesn't help take us further in the playoffs, it's an awful deal.

@Handlogten's Heros is talking about how we failed in all the minor deals since Mike. Well, our margin for error was so thin because our asset cupboard was bare and Mike was making $35+ a year. We had to be perfect in every move after Mike because so much hinged on Mike. And it hasn't panned out.

You litteraly asked me a few post ago to explain if we were a better team with or without Conley so to act like you goalpost has been the same is an outright lie.