The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[Al-O-Meter]

I concluded the purpose of the thread was to establish some criteria that would allow you to dismiss the events of 1/6 as much ado about nothing

That is all you. It is what you want me to say so you are inventing it in your own head.

Although I have dismissed the committee, I have never downplayed the events of 1/6. I think it was a criminal act and should rightfully be handled by our criminal justice system. I believe politicians are exploiting the events for political purposes as was painfully obvious by making a performance by the cast of Hamilton a feature of the proceedings.

I'm very straight forward in my comments and say what I mean. I started the US is not a democracy thread because the stupid on display in our popular media gets under my skin some days. If I'd meant it as the straw man you are trying to wish into existence then I would have said so. I'm not shy when it comes to stating my opinion on just about anything.

 

[babe]

I have no idea what the **** you’re talking about. It’s like you’re speaking some foreign language. America isn’t the one with hundreds of thousands of troops on the Ukrainian border so I don’t know where you get off that america is the aggressor here.

Where do you get your information?

About a year ago, a hothead Ukranian general started massing tanks and troops in Ukranian territory and chattering about going in two the two eastern Provinces, or Oblasts, Luhansk and Donetsk, which have significant ethnic Russian populations. Russia has postured that it is protecting the separatist governments there. Overall, the presence of the Russian forces near these wannabes new countries is claimed to encourage negotiations rather than Ukranian military suppression.

Everybody knows that except our propaganda press and stupid state department and lying CIA. Well, even they know it, they just lie.

I don't know how many Russian nationals (volunteers, supposedly) are on the ground in these provinces, but everyone acknowledges significant numbers of native separatists.

It appears that Russia intends to regard these provinces, new nations, as independent, along with the rest of Ukraine.

Russia has called repeatedly for negotiations. Ukraine has backed out of an agreement called the Minsk Accords which obligated the various parties to hold talks, saying that that agreement was with the previous Ukranian administration, not the current one.


The idea that Russia has more troops in the area than the Ukranian forces set to retake and suppress the separatists is false. yah know, a blatant lie, and propaganda of our own brand.

The separatists are preparing a mass evacuation into Russia. It might be a Putin strategy to posture himself as the benevolent leader stopping a genocidal war on the Russian ethnic people in Luhansk and Donetsk areas.

The demonstrations and separatists events followed a corrupt 2014 election result that installed overt fascist governance in Ukraine. The present government is poorly organized and managed. The President won his election in a public backlash against it, but if he (Zelensky) just lets the separatists go their way, he probably can win the next election.



When you do your reading, do you pay attention to obvious lies, or propaganda-style rhetoric, before you decide to believe what you read????

 

[LogGrad98]

About a year ago, a hothead Ukranian general started massing tanks and troops in Ukranian territory and chattering about going in two the two eastern Provinces, or Oblasts, Luhansk and Donetsk, which have significant ethnic Russian populations. Russia has postured that it is protecting the separatist governments there. Overall, the presence of the Russian forces near these wannabes new countries is claimed to encourage negotiations rather than Ukranian military suppression.

Everybody knows that except our propaganda press and stupid state department and lying CIA. Well, even they know it, they just lie.

I don't know how many Russian nationals (volunteers, supposedly) are on the ground in these provinces, but everyone acknowledges significant numbers of native separatists.

It appears that Russia intends to regard these provinces, new nations, as independent, along with the rest of Ukraine.

Russia has called repeatedly for negotiations. Ukraine has backed out of an agreement called the Minsk Accords which obligated the various parties to hold talks, saying that that agreement was with the previous Ukranian administration, not the current one.


The idea that Russia has more troops in the area than the Ukranian forces set to retake and suppress the separatists is false. yah know, a blatant lie, and propaganda of our own brand.

The separatists are preparing a mass evacuation into Russia. It might be a Putin strategy to posture himself as the benevolent leader stopping a genocidal war on the Russian ethnic people in Luhansk and Donetsk areas.

The demonstrations and separatists events followed a corrupt 2014 election result that installed overt fascist governance in Ukraine. The present government is poorly organized and managed. The President won his election in a public backlash against it, but if he (Zelensky) just lets the separatists go their way, he probably can win the next election.



When you do your reading, do you pay attention to obvious lies, or propaganda-style rhetoric, before you decide to believe what you read????

In today's world, lies and propaganda are apparently in the ears of the listener.

 

[babe]

That is all you. It is what you want me to say so you are inventing it in your own head.

Although I have dismissed the committee, I have never downplayed the events of 1/6. I think it was a criminal act and should rightfully be handled by our criminal justice system. I believe politicians are exploiting the events for political purposes as was painfully obvious by making a performance by the cast of Hamilton a feature of the proceedings.

I'm very straight forward in my comments and say what I mean. I started the US is not a democracy thread because the stupid on display in our popular media gets under my skin some days. If I'd meant it as the straw man you are trying to wish into existence then I would have said so. I'm not shy when it comes to stating my opinion on just about anything.

The theoretical existence of any "democracy" has always been debatable because some people are for whatever reason more capable "influencers": It's actually like a mathematical equation with a singularity point where the idea just can't be given a value. It's like everything else in human ideals, impossible

We usually just get reasonable when our ideas are way off and obviously not matching what we do.

What we need to do sometimes is just replace corrupt people spoiling our fond hopes or human rights. That's what election are supposed to be for.

 

[babe]

In today's world, lies and propaganda are apparently in the ears of the listener.

Pretty true that it's hard to find an impartial or objective treatment of any subject.

Here's a new source for me:

Micheal John –

muckrack. com/micheal-john-obrien noreferrerMicheal John [O'Brien] is a writer & our editor-in-chief. Find Micheal's social profiles, some ...read article.

fpmag.net

He has an interesting article on Ukraine with an air of actual understanding. I dunno, really. I read, then I think.

Donetsk, Luhansk Republics are now recognized as nations by Russia –

Over 70,000 women, children & elderly citizens from Luhansk PR & Donetsk PR have been evacuated & more are on their way. Civilians are being...read article.

fpmag.net

The Irish are kinda famous for not just running with the English line.

A lot of rhetoric about this new move from Russia. It appears to be less of a Putin thing than a Russian thing, so not just a direct dictatorship. Dunno, really, probably wouldn't be sure what is going on if I was there and talking to everybody there. I'm kinda famous for not just running with any bunch.

 

[Douchebag K]

Well just tonight he said essentially that getting vaccinated doesn't do anything. His words were that it doesn't stop you from getting COVID, which I suppose he could attempt to defend, but the way the statement was made was that it didn't matter if you got vaccinated or not, which is idiotic...

dude are you really that stupid or are you just deliberately twisting what i have always said ???

If you've read things i've said you would know i've said i'm VACCINATED And that if you're in certain age groups, if you have a health issue, i've you're overweight you'd be a ****wit not to get vaccinated.

What i have maintained is that if you have previously had a Covid infection your natural immunity from said infection is as good if not more robust than vaccination or if you then have an additional booster.

I"m so ****ing tired of you clowns trying to misrepresent what i've said even to the point of accusing me of spreading lies. So if you're going to do that you can go **** yourself

 

[Douchebag K]

You gotta love these Facebook warriors who see a few memes and Listen to Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro a few times and are now suddenly experts on vaccines, authoritarianism, and foreign policy.

Weren’t you a few months ago talking about how natural infection was better than immunization? LOL talk about enlightened!

you're really a special type of ****wit. I have no idea who those people are, and i have not mentioned foreign policy because i know little of the detail. However i am in medical field so i have read a whole lot more about vaccines than you would ever know. And more and more data is showing natural immunity from previous Covid infection to be as good in not superior to "immunization" as you so knowingly profess. This is just a fact. And yet i'm sure you'll just ignore this and go on some weitd rant about "conservatives"

I've never seen someone so unaware of their own stupidity and narrow mindedness

 

[The Thriller]

This is some crazy ****


Apparently Putin is blaming *checks Cryon* Clinton for not inviting Russia to join NATO? Ummm...

What?


Putin sounds like Trump giving a campaign rally bitching about nonsense in East Jesus, Pennsylvania. His side is always the victim, the west is always mean, and he alone is the one standing up to the aggression of the mean people.

 

[The Thriller]

This is really worrisome.

By recognizing the "independence" of those two eastern Ukrainian states, he's essentially:

• Challenging Ukraine to back off being cut off at the knees.
• If Ukraine lets half its country disappear, Putin wins (and he'll probably in a few years continue to swallow Ukraine up). If Ukraine fights back, he'll continue this war based on "self-defense."

Putin has made his move, now it's time for the west to respond. If our response in inadequate, what's stopping Putin from taking over Ukraine, Belarus, and the rest of the Baltic states? Might he try his hand against Finland again? Poland?

 

[The Thriller]

you're really a special type of ****wit. I have no idea who those people are, and i have not mentioned foreign policy because i know little of the detail. However i am in medical field so i have read a whole lot more about vaccines than you would ever know. And more and more data is showing natural immunity from previous Covid infection to be as good in not superior to "immunization" as you so knowingly profess. This is just a fact. And yet i'm sure you'll just ignore this and go on some weitd rant about "conservatives"

I've never seen someone so unaware of their own stupidity and narrow mindedness

Two things:

#1 Except, natural immunity means you've become sick with Covid and sickness runs the risk of:

• Missing out on work (loss of income)
• Long-covid
• Death

While vaccines? Don't run those risks. So while the long-term immunity of natural infection might last longer, it also requires one to... You know... GET INFECTED first. I think most in the scientific and medical community would prefer vaccination > natural immunity since vaccination carries very little risk to one's health and well-being. While "natural infection" has taken nearly one million Americans in the last two years and five million people worldwide.

#2 Cite your credentials all you want, It's really hard to know what you stand for other than Covid misinformation when you post nonsense like this. Certainly not science or the medical profession:

Healthy kids so rarely get sick. Way less than for other common things like pneumonia. And they very rarely die. You’re just being disingenuous. And the smug “you’re welcome” reflects very poorly on you.

Fat kids should get vaccinated because they have an underlying health condition. It’s not rocket science ?? Likewise those with high blood pressure, auto immune disease and other such conditions. Because any slight risk with a vaccine is outweighed by the increased protection for that specific person Statistically .. risk / reward. Get it ??

If you’re going to play that game how many people are you ok with letting die from vaccine complications ? How many suicides by teens depressed from being locked up are you ok with ?? Because we’ve had something like 500 more than normal thru this period. And on the Australian governments own drug administration body’s website there are around 500 deaths following Covid vaccines. So if you can actually think there is something to weigh up ?

And no the number 1 risk factor is age. By so far it’s not funny. Dementia. Cardiovascular compromise. Obesity.
Double vaxxed ppl are still dying with these conditions. Vaccines for ppl over 40, overweight, any underlying health issue particularly hypertension & metabolic compromise absolutely . I’m a healthy very fit 50 year old and I’ve had a vacc But healthy kids so not specifically need it. Unless you’re happy to take whatever small risk of the unknown it is to try to achieve some weird hope of herd immunity which isn’t going to happen. And to me the potential risk and unknown of a new vaccine isn’t worth it.

and

Covid is barely a sniffle for healthy kids and there have been no medium to long term studies done on this "1/3 dose" type proposal. The risk/benefit is so far skewed against jabbing kids. The risk profile for Covid is so disproportionate according to age a uniform approach to vaccinating everyone ie healthy young kids is just stupid.

Last thing, I've never seen you admit you were wrong about anything or show any sign of self-reflection. That's important. So when you talk about narrow minded hacks, you should take a long look in the mirror.

 

[One Brow]

What i have maintained is that if you have previously had a Covid infection your natural immunity from said infection is as good if not more robust than vaccination or if you then have an additional booster.

That statement is strongly dependent on several factors, as I'm sure you agree. What you have not done is explained why that is a good reason to not vaccinated anyway, since that provides even more protection than natural immunity alone.

 

[The Thriller]

And so it begins...

 

[Douchebag K]

That statement is strongly dependent on several factors, as I'm sure you agree. What you have not done is explained why that is a good reason to not vaccinated anyway, since that provides even more protection than natural immunity alone.

retrospective study that i have shown you before shows negligible difference between those previously infected and those previously infected and who have then had a vaccine. Why would you take another medicine that makes no difference. Where are the long term studies on things like antibody dependence or other effects from taking repeated booster shots ??

 

[Douchebag K]

You’re worthless

lol that speaks volumes about you

good discussion of the detail of the topic at hand. Clap clap

 

[The Thriller]

dude are you really that stupid or are you just deliberately twisting what i have always said ???

If you've read things i've said you would know i've said i'm VACCINATED And that if you're in certain age groups, if you have a health issue, i've you're overweight you'd be a ****wit not to get vaccinated.

What i have maintained is that if you have previously had a Covid infection your natural immunity from said infection is as good if not more robust than vaccination or if you then have an additional booster.

I"m so ****ing tired of you clowns trying to misrepresent what i've said even to the point of accusing me of spreading lies. So if you're going to do that you can go **** yourself

lol that speaks volumes about you

good discussion of the detail of the topic at hand. Clap clap

Fantastic comeback, you sure showed him. I honestly can’t remember the last time you tried to engage as a serious adult talking about something substantial with another adult. You just ********. I mean, maybe I set my expectations up too high considering your name is douche? But it seems ironic that you whine about others being narrow minded hacks while all you do is talk trash to others.

Maybe it's time you took a break from here?

 

[The Thriller]

“bUt ThE wEsT!”
“bUt NaTo!”

You’ll see in the coming week many on the right and extreme left blame Biden, NATO, and the west instead of Putin for this. Many bots are going to be churning out disinformation.

EU just announced sanctions

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You’ll see in the coming week many on the right and extreme left blame Biden

You're saying that the entire political right and a huge chunk of the political left all agreeing that Biden is an intellectual turnip who can't even lead his own party when they have a majority in both the house and senate, and that a majority of registered Democrats don't want to see run again, will all be wrong. You think it is only a fraction of the Democrat party who have this blame thing correct.

Have fun pretending to ride that stallion of a President to victory as you convince yourself that his evident weakness isn't presenting as an opportunity to some of the world's worst.

The world needs this President and his party voted out of power. It is too bad for the people of Ukraine and Taiwan that our elections are so far off.

 

[The Thriller]

You're saying that the entire political right and a huge chunk of the political left all agreeing that Biden is an intellectual turnip who can't even lead his own party when they have a majority in both the house and senate, and that a majority of registered Democrats don't want to see run again, will all be wrong. You think it is only a fraction of the Democrat party who have this blame thing correct.

Have fun pretending to ride that stallion of a President to victory as you convince yourself that his evident weakness isn't presenting as an opportunity to some of the world's worst.

The world needs this President and his party voted out of power. It is too bad for the people of Ukraine and Taiwan that our elections are so far off.

I’ve warned you about your spin and dishonesty. You don’t engage in good faith. You act as a troll. Goodbye

 

[The Thriller]

 

[candrew]

A friend of mine spoke to a someone she grew up with in Kiev over the weekend. She said it's pretty much business as usual there. No one thinks Putin will push any further than the separatist regions of Eastern Ukraine.

We shall see.