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LoPo said:
I don't think we do anything just to make Don happy. If we do keep him, it's because we want to build a competitive team around him and he wants to be here.

I think they have to be split because we don't have any assets. Bojan is a solid asset, but he's an expiring. Mike is kind of same since most teams won't want his 2nd year at that number. Clarkson isn't a strong asset.

I think Rudy is gone but I wouldn't be shocked if Mike stayed. All depends on what Mike would get us in return.
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It isn't just about one guy... but it kinda becomes that. Remember all the pgs we acquired to make Gordon happy. Lebron ends up doing this everywhere too, but he is Lebron.

We will see how it all plays out.
 
If it really is about make DM happy, Danny is going to get us some much needed assets in return.
If it really is about championships for DM, he should be parting ways with us this summer.
As a byproduct of letting guys go away for nothing, wasting lots of assets to get our proverbial post Deron PG and bad drafting decisions, we just lack the assets needed to round this iteration of the team.
As someone else said, we were so close...
The sooner we accept it, the sooner some of you fellow posters will have a chance to cheer for a team ready to compete for it all.
I guess I will be gone for good when such a time comes around though...
 
outerspacefan said:
If it really is about make DM happy, Danny is going to get us some much needed assets in return.
If it really is about championships for DM, he should be parting ways with us this summer.
As a byproduct of letting guys go away for nothing, wasting lots of assets to get our proverbial post Deron PG and bad drafting decisions, we just lack the assets needed to round this iteration of the team.
As someone else said, we were so close...
The sooner we accept it, the sooner some of you fellow posters will have a chance to cheer for a team ready to compete for it all.
I guess I will be gone for good when such a time comes around though...
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I think two things have to happen to get us to contention level in the next couple years:

#1 - we make some bold moves this summer bringing in multiple good players. Hypothetically... let's say we trade Rudy for 3 good players. Yes, we lose the best player in the deal, but we receive 3 good players so we round out our team better. Guys like Royce and Joe have been playing way too much in the last few years. We are so thin on defenders. We rely on Clarkson so much for bench offense. We sign washed guys like Rudy Gay. We take a slight step back next year, but we build something different with more layers.

#2 - we do amazing work in 2023 free agency. Can Donovan lure his buddy Jaylen Brown? Could we get a couple guys like Wood, Kuzma, Gary Trent and Jerami Grant?

Oh, and Donovan has to keep improving especially with late game stuff.
 
Right now the best case realistic scenario is the Jazz trade Gobert to a team I will enjoy watching for the next couple of years, Utah toils in mediocrity for a year or two before realizing they need to trade Mitchell, then I can return to being a more invested Jazz fan and do the whole 'I watch college basketball" a lot thing again.
 
I do think there could be some irony that this year will be our best playoff run after having a poor regular season. Flip the regular season team narrative on it's head.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I do think there could be some irony that this year will be our best playoff run after having a poor regular season. Flip the regular season team narrative on it's head.
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1% of my brain/heart is still right here... but man this year as soon as I get my hopes slightly elevated the Jazz lay a steamer on my chest... Exhibit 1 - This stupid thread.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Right now the best case realistic scenario is the Jazz trade Gobert to a team I will enjoy watching for the next couple of years, Utah toils in mediocrity for a year or two before realizing they need to trade Mitchell, then I can return to being a more invested Jazz fan and do the whole 'I watch college basketball" a lot thing again.
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Memphis, Portland, Toronto (nurse would get wild), Charlotte are kind of the best case scenarios I can think of meeting the criteria. Memphis might have to trade Brooks before I could really like them.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Memphis, Portland, Toronto (nurse would get wild), Charlotte are kind of the best case scenarios I can think of meeting the criteria. Memphis might have to trade Brooks before I could really like them.
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I think it's going to be Atlanta. Just makes too much sense with them stalling out this year. Jazz won't get a lot back, but they will be dumb enough to try and compete with John Collins/Clint Capela and whoever they can trade for with the Hawks picks they get.

Jazz can probably off-load Gay with Gobert in this kind of deal too. Help save Ryan some money.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think it's going to be Atlanta. Just makes too much sense with them stalling out this year. Jazz won't get a lot back, but they will be dumb enough to try and compete with John Collins/Clint Capela and whoever they can trade for with the Hawks picks they get.

Jazz can probably off-load Gay with Gobert in this kind of deal too. Help save Ryan some money.
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I could see that as a likely scenario... I was just trying to find teams I like... not a huge fan of Trae's game.

I do wonder if they go the non-Capela route if they are looking to commit to Okongwu. Although his health history may mean they want to hedge their bets. Collins has also been on the block so I doubt that deal is out of the realm of possibility.
 
LoPo said:
I think two things have to happen to get us to contention level in the next couple years:

#1 - we make some bold moves this summer bringing in multiple good players. Hypothetically... let's say we trade Rudy for 3 good players. Yes, we lose the best player in the deal, but we receive 3 good players so we round out our team better. Guys like Royce and Joe have been playing way too much in the last few years. We are so thin on defenders. We rely on Clarkson so much for bench offense. We sign washed guys like Rudy Gay. We take a slight step back next year, but we build something different with more layers.

#2 - we do amazing work in 2023 free agency. Can Donovan lure his buddy Jaylen Brown? Could we get a couple guys like Wood, Kuzma, Gary Trent and Jerami Grant?

Oh, and Donovan has to keep improving especially with late game stuff.
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Sure, but lots of things would have to merge the right way for this to actually come to frution.
About Gobert I think the best time to try to move him has has just passed away... and we were so damn dumb that we have not done anything else but expose him in multiuple ways... even so, I really don't think the Gobert/Mitchell pairing will ever evolve the right way so....
About luring dudes to Utah... well... I don't think I can elaborate more that many people has already done....
About Mitchell improving in the clutch, that might be not so darn hard to do... just take the basketball out of his hands and let him be the brutal scorer he is and go from there...
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think it's going to be Atlanta. Just makes too much sense with them stalling out this year. Jazz won't get a lot back, but they will be dumb enough to try and compete with John Collins/Clint Capela and whoever they can trade for with the Hawks picks they get.

Jazz can probably off-load Gay with Gobert in this kind of deal too. Help save Ryan some money.
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Yep. Atlanta is who I have been saying for quite some time. He makes perfect sense next to Trae and covers up a lot of their defensive inefficiencies. He's the best player they could hope to get.

Collins, Capella and picks for Rudy. We probably try to get Huerter in place of picks. Hopefully we can add in Gay. Rudy is by far the biggest piece in the deal. Atlanta is worried about the luxury and we are too so that part would be interesting.

I could see this being a draft trade if both our seasons end tragically.

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LoPo said:
Yep. Atlanta is who I have been saying for quite some time. He makes perfect sense next to Trae and covers up a lot of their defensive inefficiencies. He's the best player they could hope to get.

Collins, Capella and picks for Rudy. We probably try to get Huerter in place of picks. Hopefully we can add in Gay. Rudy is by far the biggest piece in the deal. Atlanta is worried about the luxury and we are too so that part would be interesting.

I could see this being a draft trade if both our seasons end tragically.

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Initially I wasn't sure Atlanta would do that, but honestly they can't play a switch style of defense with Trae on the court so having a guy who is an improvement over Capela would be good. Collins isn't long for Atlanta and vice versa... both contracts are long like Rudy's deal is. I think the best we could hope for is Clint, John, and their first for Gobert/Gay... I think we may end up having to settle for Capela and Collins with maybe the charlotte pick they got from the Reddish trade or just a couple seconds. I think we end up being slightly disappointed with whatever Gobert trade we do.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Initially I wasn't sure Atlanta would do that, but honestly they can't play a switch style of defense with Trae on the court so having a guy who is an improvement over Capela would be good. Collins isn't long for Atlanta and vice versa... both contracts are long like Rudy's deal is. I think the best we could hope for is Clint, John, and their first for Gobert/Gay... I think we may end up having to settle for Capela and Collins with maybe the charlotte pick they got from the Reddish trade or just a couple seconds. I think we end up being slightly disappointed with whatever Gobert trade we do.
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This. No matter what we will regret it in some fashion. Unless it nets us a marked improvement in outcome. Like if we get bounced in the 1st round this year, then trade Rudy and end up with a much improved regular season and at least get to the WCF the next year, we will mostly be ok with the trade. Anything less than that and we will have multiple threads about the worst trade in franchise history, And then after I make those threads, other people will make similar threads.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This. No matter what we will regret it in some fashion. Unless it nets us a marked improvement in outcome. Like if we get bounced in the 1st round this year, then trade Rudy and end up with a much improved regular season and at least get to the WCF the next year, we will mostly be ok with the trade. Anything less than that and we will have multiple threads about the worst trade in franchise history, And then after I make those threads, other people will make similar threads.
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Which is why I'd almost prefer a complete rebuild if we trade Rudy.... get all forward looking assets... then you dismantle the other pieces looking for similar pieces. Collins/Capela is cute but I don't think it gets us anywhere.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Which is why I'd almost prefer a complete rebuild if we trade Rudy.... get all forward looking assets... then you dismantle the other pieces looking for similar pieces. Collins/Capela is cute but I don't think it gets us anywhere.
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Especially since Bogey/Collins not a good fit together and does nothing to address perimeter defense
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Especially since Bogey/Collins not a good fit together and does nothing to address perimeter defense
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You’d need a couple more trades to work something that looks like it fits… you’d have to nail them all to make it work.

It will depend on what the market yields but Bogey/Mike/JC/Rudy all end up on the trade market and I’d bet 2 of them get moved.

This assumes we don’t get out of the first round.

I could also see SA being a landing spot if Quin also ends up there… Poetl, their pick this year and 1 or 2 of their young wings… cap space or Richardson serves as the salary filler. Could also do a three way deal where Collins goes to SA (they have been rumored to like him) and we get wings. Donovan would likely flip out though since Collins and him are buddies (not sure if besties or just homies).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Especially since Bogey/Collins not a good fit together and does nothing to address perimeter defense
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It's okay if we have a number of good players. Bogey is going to miss games. Collins can play some at C. Bogey can play a little at SF.

If we move on from Rudy, we can use a 7 or 8 good player model instead of our current 6 player model after Joe went down.

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