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MT Steve said:
And then they torched our small ball later in the 4th.
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Give me some numbers. Go look at the play by play. Explain how they torched the small lineup in the 4th. Tell how long the small ball lineup was out there during this torching. Explain how the torching happened. I dont recall the small ball being torched. I do rememeber it not working as well in a very very small amount of minutes the second time around when they were using it incorrectly by playing royce and conley in the small ball lineup instead of the lineup that worked fantastically.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The Mavs out scored us 4-2 in a 2 minute span late in the 4th when we were down 7 when Rudy came out and that is torching us according to MT Steve.

But our 31-18 8 minute stretch is a small sample size.

Clown ****

lolz
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You don't get to use the "small sample size" rebuke when you are defending a lineup that has a net rating of -20+ in the regular season because it did good for a few minutes in a single game.

I wonder if the "Go small ball!" dumbasses were flaunting their chests during the 1st quarter of this game:

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Mavericks 114-100 Jazz (Mar 27, 2022) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the Dallas Mavericks vs. Utah Jazz NBA game from March 27, 2022 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.
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Elizah Huge said:
Lol when Rudy came off the court later in the 4th we were down 5 and the Mavs scored the next possession to go up 7. Then Rudy came back in 2 minutes later. They outscored us 4-2 yeah they really torched us.

How do dudes like this spew literal lies like facts and act like they know what they’re talking about?
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Yep, thats pretty much how i remember that second stint. It didn't work great but it didn't get torched and it was only used for the tiniest amount of time and it was used with different players than the first longer amazing stint of small ball.
 
fishonjazz said:
Give me some numbers. Go look at the play by play. Explain how they torched the small lineup in the 4th. Tell how long the small ball lineup was out there during this torching. Explain how the torching happened. I dont recall the small ball being torched. I do rememeber it not working as well in a very very small amount of minutes the second time around when they were using it incorrectly by playing royce and conley in the small ball lineup instead of the lineup that worked fantastically.
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Do your own homework - I'm tired of presenting the data to you morons.
 
MT Steve said:
What?

They were still getting wide open threes. They missed several of them near the end of the 3rd.
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Agree to disagree. The scoring that i saw from them came on drives. Which I can live with when a team is shooting like 70% from 3. Jazz were more than matching them on the other end. It was awesome. Everyone in the break room was going ape **** during that run (im betting you were as well).
 
fishonjazz said:
Maybe they can, but they dont. When rudy (or whiteside) is in the other team gets open threes. I dont know exactly why that is but it just is. When he (and whiteside) wasn't in they weren't getting open threes. They were still scoring a lot no doubt, but not via open threes and we were scoring even more than them.
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Because when they’re in, the perimeter guys funnel to the big. When the big rotates, nobody covers their guy. In the Dallas series and many other matchups, it leads to corner threes. In other matchups it leads to lobs. If a team doesn’t have a corner three threat or lob threat, then it just leads to offensive rebounds and putbacks. It becomes much more accentuated down the stretch and in the playoffs. It’s just a shame that Quin prefers to believe the first 40 minutes of regular season games is the representative sample. I mean, in a way, it is - if we want to be champions of the first 40 minutes of 82 games, which we have been for the last two years. That’s just not the game we’re playing now and Quin may take a few more years to realize that.
 
MT Steve said:
What?

They were still getting wide open threes. They missed several of them near the end of the 3rd.
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They shot 0.82 3’s per minute against our small ball and 0.88 3’s per minute against every other lineup. They also made 0.125 3’s per minute against small ball vs made 0.43 3’s against other lineups.

So not only did they shoot less they made less.

Stop ****ing lying man lmao
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep, thats pretty much how i remember that second stint. It didn't work great but it didn't get torched and it was only used for the tiniest amount of time and it was used with different players than the first longer amazing stint of small ball.
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No, didn’t you know 4-2 is getting torched.
 
MT Steve said:
Do your own homework - I'm tired of presenting the data to you morons.
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Well i mean you said they torched our small ball in the 4th. But they didn't. We barely used it and when we did it was with the wrong personel and they barely out scored us.
You can pull up sample sizes from the regular season and from the past. What I cared about last night was last night. It worked amazingly. We always criticize quin for trusting the huge sample size numbers too much and not seeing what is actually happening in the moment of games. In the moment of the game last night our small ball lineup was amazing in the 3rd quarter and start of the 4th. Maybe it would have fizzled. I dont know. What I do know is that our non small ball lineup has been getting murdered in this series and in the series against the clippers last year. I was begging quin to make an adjustment, any adjustment, last season against the clippers. He never did. Last night he did. And it worked! This is good news man. It means we have some options now. Be glad that it worked so great!
 
fishonjazz said:
Agree to disagree. The scoring that i saw from them came on drives. Which I can live with when a team is shooting like 70% from 3. Jazz were more than matching them on the other end. It was awesome. Everyone in the break room was going ape **** during that run (im betting you were as well).
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They were 1-7 from 3 against our small ball and 17/35 from 3 against other lineups.
 
A lot of dumbasses in here are going to be in for a nasty surprise when our small ball utterly fails to swing the series, and the ginormous sample size from the regular season proves more representative than the tiny handful of minutes in a single game.
 
MT Steve said:
Do your own homework - I'm tired of presenting the data to you morons.
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BTW you have yet to present the data that we are currently discussing (last nights game) You only said they torched the small ball lineup and they got lots of open threes against the small ball lineup. That isn't data from last nights game which is really all that matters in this discussion. The rest of your data is irrelevant. We are saying they should have played small ball against the mavs in the last regular season game against them or in any other game other than last night.
 
MT Steve said:
A lot of dumbasses in here are going to be in for a nasty surprise when our small ball utterly fails to swing the series, and the ginormous sample size from the regular season proves more representative than the tiny handful of minutes in a single game.
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We’re down 2-1 by not using small ball dumbass can’t do any worse than that.
 
MT Steve said:
A lot of dumbasses in here are going to be in for a nasty surprise when our small ball utterly fails to swing the series, and the ginormous sample size from the regular season proves more representative than the tiny handful of minutes in a single game.
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This is ****ing hilarious when our ginormous regular season stats with Rudy on the floor isn’t translating to the playoffs.
 
MT Steve said:
A lot of dumbasses in here are going to be in for a nasty surprise when our small ball utterly fails to swing the series, and the ginormous sample size from the regular season proves more representative than the tiny handful of minutes in a single game.
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Well I mean we probably wont ever see it again. And for the record Im not saying it will work in other games. Im saying it worked last night. If something is working then it might be a good idea to continue with it while its working. Especially if the alternative isn't working.
If we do go on a huge run again with small ball tomorrow do you think it would be wise to go back to our normal lineup and if the normal lineup collapses just stick with the normal lineup and never go back to the small ball again?
 
MT Steve said:
Because our perimeter defenders are traffic cones.

Basically all of the national pundits recognize this. Not sure why you're so slow on the uptake.
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Yet our defense and offense looked better with Rudy off the floor. Imagine that.
 
fishonjazz said:
Well I mean we probably wont ever see it again. And for the record Im not saying it will work in other games. Im saying it worked last night. If something is working then it might be a good idea to continue with it while its working. Especially if the alternative isn't working.
If we do go on a huge run again with small ball tomorrow do you think it would be wise to go back to our normal lineup and if the normal lineup collapses just stick with the normal lineup and never go back to the small ball again?
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Yes, that’s exactly what we should do because we were -20 net rating during the regular season.
 
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