Being religious, of course they are.
Reasons you left the LDS church.
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Being religious, of course they are.
Steve Wells has commented on the translation used before.
https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/about.html
https://sacred-texts.com/isl/pick/index.htm
All translations are flawed, of course.
Archie Moses
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You're gonna have to do more homework on that because that's not entirely true, guy.
For what it's worth, you are mischaracterizing LDS beliefs. If I were a betting man I'd be willing to bet that I'm much more of a scientist than you are (I'm a physicist and university professor with a PhD from U.C. Berkeley). And I find the LDS church to be very much compatible with science.
Dalamon. Check out that response by The Black Swordsman. You said you haven't met anyone who claims the Quran is scientifically inerrant! Now you have. I personally have met hundreds, if not thousands who say the same thing. Like I said, you can make anything compatible with reality if you try hard enough (look at Coltons response about LDS compatibility with physics).
Translation - " I love bashing religions and relish this opportunity to do so"
-- That's just the way it reads to me from your wording, and prior posts.
So, are you saying that because the Quran is newer than the Old Testament writings, people say it is much more accurate, and the Book of Mormon was translated in 1830 so..... by your logic, it must be infinitely more accurate.
There are enough Christians (member of the LDS church included) that read the word "day" in the Old Testament to mean " a period of time it takes to accomplish something". Which using that understanding would mean the Earth was "created" in 6 periods of time, and God rested for a 7th period of time.
I only chose these 3 items to respond to because they were easy pickings, and I am pretty lazy right now.
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Well said, and rep'd. In all honesty, I actually haven't met too many that glorify its scientific inerrance, this isn't me just making things up for the sake of an argument. I do get where you're coming from though, and if you don't need the guidance of religion to become a good person, then Im happy for you, and I won't attempt to change your mind (or anything of that sort). My faith keeps me grounded, and it offers a decent amount of answers to questions I myself cannot answer, and its just something that is comforting to me on a day-to-day basis. But hey, too each his own, right? A reason why so many religions (and atheism) exist to this day is because different sets of beliefs and values complement different people, and if it is all meant to contribute positively to a persons life, then does it really matter whether one is Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and so on?? I have a seriously difficult time imagining that someone like Gandhi would be rejected at the proverbial gates of heaven, instead taking up some selfish, ordinary christian man, who did not contribute much positively.
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I have much more of a problem with the website and its bias (referring to skepticsannotatedbible) than I do with the fact that they use english translations. The problem with the english translations of any scriptural work is that when they use words like non-believer, son and so on their meanings are a bit cloudy; I for one know that there are excerpts in the Quran that hint that even Christians will be accepted on judgement day; on the website, it made to be seen as the quran says the opposite. Hence, some scholars believe that non-believers are people who simply refuse the existence of God, not the islamic faith. But I suppose this comes back to Siromar's point, how anything can really be deduced form a religious scripture; I just happen to think that my way is the correct one
The Black Swordsman
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1/6th of the Koran is about science. I glorify the scientific portions of it because it is the only major religion which hasn't been scientifically disproven.
About the Native American DNA not being asian.
Peter N. Jones (October 2002). American Indian Mtdna, Y Chromosome Genetic Data, and the Peopling of North America. Bauu Institute. p. 4.
"Scientific evidence links indigenous Americans to Asian peoples, specifically eastern Siberian populations. Indigenous peoples of the Americas have been linked to North Asian populations by linguistic factors, the distribution of blood types, and in genetic composition as reflected by molecular data, such as DNA."
Also, https://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci590/10_1Non-Metric.htm
Only Native Americans and Asians have shovel type incisors.
Show me your physics evidence Dr Colton
Oh wait the only thing they have found in their DNA was that they were cursed for being bad and were given red skin. Actually nvm.
Dude there was 20 pages of LDS bashing and now people are calling me out for it?
Be right by back I have to go soaking with 20 chicks since its not considered sex.
About the Native American DNA not being asian.
Peter N. Jones (October 2002). American Indian Mtdna, Y Chromosome Genetic Data, and the Peopling of North America. Bauu Institute. p. 4.
"Scientific evidence links indigenous Americans to Asian peoples, specifically eastern Siberian populations. Indigenous peoples of the Americas have been linked to North Asian populations by linguistic factors, the distribution of blood types, and in genetic composition as reflected by molecular data, such as DNA."
Also, https://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci590/10_1Non-Metric.htm
Only Native Americans and Asians have shovel type incisors.
Show me your physics evidence Dr Colton
Oh wait the only thing they have found in their DNA was that they were cursed for being bad and were given red skin. Actually nvm.
Dude there was 20 pages of LDS bashing and now people are calling me out for it?
Be right by back I have to go soaking with 20 chicks since its not considered sex.
Dude, anyone bashing was called out for it.
Anyone bashing anything should be called out for it.
How is anyone in this world going to get along/improve if we keep "bashing" anyone that thinks/feels/believes differently than we do?
Answer---- We are not.
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I think you misread my post. I didn't say that there was physics evidence for Mormonism. I said that I found science very compatible with Mormonism. Very different statements.
Statements like that make it clear that you do not understand Mormonism as well as you think you understand it.
Archie Moses
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Where does the LDS Church have a problem with that? Are you suggesting that the LDS church teaches that all (both American continents) Native Americans are decedents from Lehi? With that being said, your DNA evidence has been debunked, dude. Nice try though.
The Black Swordsman
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Is it true or not true that LDS members believe that people from Israel came to the Americas and have done some sinful things and got red skin as punishment becoming Native Americans. If you find one Native American who has DNA evidence from Israel, I am sure that many many people would be willing to convert to Mormonism, if it is only one tribe or group are they gone now? Why isn't there a larger effort to find this tribe then, because every single tribe studied so far has Asian descent.
Is it true or not true that dark skin is a curse by god.
Is it true or not true that soaking is not considered sex and is acceptable to do with people you are not married with. (Inserting a bare ***** in ****** and letting it soak in ******* fluid, as long as the Male doesn't ejaculate and their isn't an up/down motion)
If these aren't true enlighten me please, it is interesting. I can dispel myths that you have about Islam if you chose to ask.
Is it true or not true that dark skin is a curse by god.
Is it true or not true that soaking is not considered sex and is acceptable to do with people you are not married with. (Inserting a bare ***** in ****** and letting it soak in ******* fluid, as long as the Male doesn't ejaculate and their isn't an up/down motion)
If these aren't true enlighten me please, it is interesting. I can dispel myths that you have about Islam if you chose to ask.
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I'm not going to answer the other questions, because I don't really care enough to find out, but I know this is DEFINITELY not true. (p.s. if you haven't been following, I'm not Mormon, that's why I don't care enough about the other things.)
Argh, you're my electromagnetism teacher, aren't you?!
By who? The people that engage in it have probably convinced themselves that it's okay, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in authority that finds it acceptable.
Your knowledge of the LDS faith seems pretty scant.
The Black Swordsman
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Hey there are still people that claim that Islam is a religion of war.
The bible quotes Jesus "I have come not to bring peace but the sword" also it quotes Jesus in Luke 19 verse 27 Bring people who don't believe in me and slaughter them in front of me.
The Quran is the only religion that says killing a single person is as if killing the entirety of Humanity, and saving a single persons life is as if saving the entirety of Humanity. It doesn't say saving a single Muslim or killing a single Muslim but just says Human.
The whole soaking thing, thats why I am asking... Also I hear the LDS church doesn't like black people as in they are cursed by God and God hasn't yet lifted that curse.
The bible quotes Jesus "I have come not to bring peace but the sword" also it quotes Jesus in Luke 19 verse 27 Bring people who don't believe in me and slaughter them in front of me.
The Quran is the only religion that says killing a single person is as if killing the entirety of Humanity, and saving a single persons life is as if saving the entirety of Humanity. It doesn't say saving a single Muslim or killing a single Muslim but just says Human.
The whole soaking thing, thats why I am asking... Also I hear the LDS church doesn't like black people as in they are cursed by God and God hasn't yet lifted that curse.
Archie Moses
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Neg repped for being ignorant.