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I can't do it... I cannot have Russell, Donovan, and JC on this team... I can't.

Haha….that’s how I sorta felt about having Conley-Don-JC-Bogey all on the same team.

If you can find a taker for JC I could stomach it. Russell and Beasley fit the mold of guys who could feasibly grow in value. They won’t deteriorate at the same rate as Conley-Bogey-JC.
 
Geez, I decided to try to read some of this thread and get caught up on the discussion and maybe get into the discussion. Big mistake trying to read the last 10 pages or so and no way am I getting involved any further lol.
 
Culver was the 6th pick... Bagley was the 2nd pick... I think he's super average and I'd be fine getting him. If it comes at a premium or I have to pay him 20M+ a year... then I'm not all that interested.
There's a reason Hunter is highly regarded around the league...

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And I get that... but this performance has been the outlier not the average. I put more value in how he plays over a season versus these types of flashes. Per 36 he averages 1.3 STOCKS and 4 rebounds. Those numbers are painful. Bogey got 5 per 36 and he plays next to Rudy.

He's not super young either... I'm cool getting him at his actual value... but I wouldn't pay a big premium for the theoretical player he could become.
 
And I get that... but this performance has been the outlier not the average. I put more value in how he plays over a season versus these types of flashes. Per 36 he averages 1.3 STOCKS and 4 rebounds. Those numbers are painful. Bogey got 5 per 36 and he plays next to Rudy.

He's not super young either... I'm cool getting him at his actual value... but I wouldn't pay a big premium for the theoretical player he could become.
He didn't rebound the ball well this year but as a rookie he averaged 5.1 and in year two he averaged 5.8 PER36. He has also played with two bigs in Capela and Collins that rebound pretty well.

At age 23 (Per 36)

Player A: 18.3 points, 5.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists on 48/33/86 splits
Player B: 18.7 points, 7.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists on 48/35/80 splits
 
Trading Rudy also means we are possibly taking away our best chance of having another statue built outside of Vivint(or whatever the new sponsor would name the stadium). It would require hell of a convincing offer that's for sure
I assure you that Ainge does not care about this and his owner is more focused on his own image and the all star game.
 
Hindsight is 20/20 Jazzfanz was overjoyed about the moves and the jazz were given high marks for their work in the draft. Didn’t work out as well as we thought it would. Still, it’s not a conservative move as is what you claim the jazz are.

He was in the midst of getting pretty good till all the nagging injuries started. The team at that time was young and still trying to learn to win on a consistent basis. Favors and Kanter showed signs of developing into good players. Favors Body broke down, and Kanter couldn’t hold off a future 3 time DPOY.

Still the correct move. Better then the jazz holding on to Williams and hoping for the best and winding up with nothing, and not drafting well. Still not conservative as you say the jazz are.

Kanter took over for Al, Favors took over for Millsap. Millsap wanted out and losing ground to an up and coming young Favors. The jazz were transitioning to a young team and decided to tank and get younger. Neither Millsap or Al were that valuable on the trade market. The jazz didn’t want to add players that would hinder their tank.
Perhaps the Jazz should have
I agree. This Rudy vs Don divide is incredibly annoying. It's been going on since the COVID diagnosis and hasn't really stopped since. I'm hoping that this all goes away when one or both is traded, but I doubt it.
As long as there is a team to cheer for, fans will always complain about their team until they win a championship.
 
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He didn't rebound the ball well this year but as a rookie he averaged 5.1 and in year two he averaged 5.8 PER36. He has also played with two bigs in Capela and Collins that rebound pretty well.

At age 23 (Per 36)

Player A: 18.3 points, 5.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists on 48/33/86 splits
Player B: 18.7 points, 7.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists on 48/35/80 splits
Kawhi was 8.2 rebounds per 36... his stocks were 3.4 vs. Hunter 1.6... Hunter also only played 23 games. He's also given us more sample since then we shouldn't ignore. Kawhi was also like the best perimeter defender in the league and Hunter is very much not.

He could be better than he has shown... but he also might be more like Taurean Prince than Kawhi.
 
He averaged 27 minutes a game in the playoffs.

He only played 17 seconds in game one against the Clippers because he got hurt, and he only played 13 minutes in another game because he fouled out. if you take those two games out, he averaged 33 minutes a game.
 
I just hope the Jazz can use some of their older talented players (Bogey, Conley, JC, Rudy etc) to find some talented, promising younger players to match up with DM's window. My biggest fear is that the Jazz hold onto Bogey and the Jazz get nothing for him. Smart teams sell off their older talented players once they have hit their playoff ceiling. Those who hold onto them end up in the lotto for several years.
 
Trading Rudy also means we are possibly taking away our best chance of having another statue built outside of Vivint(or whatever the new sponsor would name the stadium). It would require hell of a convincing offer that's for sure
This statue would work.
 

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How about if he’s replacing one or two of those guys while you also have a Lonzo? Not a big Russell fan, either.
I like Lonzo. I’m worried he’s done. I’d take a chance on him though… at this point we need a risky move to pay off. If it doesn’t work and we rebuild our cap space is not that important…
 
Luka got Wood… per shams.
 
Hopefully Hawks fans have a site like this that can take a few of you on if they get Gobert.
How can you not understand that most of the people arguing with you don’t only love Gobert and hate Donovan? It’s very strange. First, the vast majority of those arguing with you want to trade both and get tons of long term assets. They don’t want to delay the inevitable and end up worse by going with Donovan, “retooling” and then him leaving. They don’t want to keep both because we have done that and it has run its course. They don’t want to only keep Rudy and trade Donovan because what we get back also would not be good enough and delay the inevitable. Second, they (and most definitely me) hate your arguments for keeping Don and getting rid of Gobert. It’s unintelligent basketball analysis. It’s like arguing with a Qanon believer. It’s so frustrating. The ironic thing is that you say we are all obsessed with Gobert, When in fact you are obsessed with Donovan and mediocrity. Go ahead and ask each one of the people that you and Lopo get into fights everyday if they love Gobert and hate Donovan or if they prefer Gobert’s playing style to Donovan, but would rather just tear it down and start over. I’m guessing it is going to be close to 90%+ for a full rebuild. The other reason they argue with you is because it is in fact looking like the Jazz are going with your preferred Donovan option and the commenters know how bad it is going to end up. At BEST a second round exit with the retooled team, but odds are fringe playoff team or lottery team. It is infuriating to argue with someone that can’t see this and thinks it will be better than it currently is. That is why it gets more personal on the Don and Rudy argument. We appreciate what Rudy does defensively and in his personal life. He isn’t only about his brand or being the top star or going to a bigger market. He absolutely wants to be here. That is what we appreciate, but at the same time we can understand that we aren’t going to achieve more with Gobert and just want to rebuild.

In your mind, with an Atlanta trade or something similar, what is the ceiling for the Jazz? I’m very interested in your answer.

Also, since it looks like we are going the Donovan way minus Gobert and becoming the Utah Hawks, how about a gentleman’s bet where we wait 3-4 years and come back and see who was more right. If I win you have to come on here an post a new topic that says you and Lopo and UtahJazz32 are dumbasses and don’t know much about NBA basketball. If you win then I will do the same?
 
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