Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ayton deal is trickier because it has to be a S&T.

Suns reportedly discussing an Ayton/Turner swap

Dangerous for Indiana... Ayton is not the most motivated dude in the world. He may go full Minny Wiggins there. I think that is part of the reason Phoenix was worried about paying him.

The S&T element is not as tricky with Indiana since they are under the cap... the salary matching should be easy.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah I was one of those people who were worried about Myles because he runs funny....would have to do their research on his foot. Could have been fake to tank, but Turner breaking down would not be surprising. If we can eek out an additional first by negotiating hard, I'm willing to send one for Turner.

I just kinda like the idea of Tuner-Collins as a frontcourt. It'd be fun to watch while Don is still here, and I think there's a decent chance one of them can make a jump.

Agree... I think they sat him in part for fear he'd get hurt again and wouldn't have trade value. They also were tanking so it worked all the way around.

My biggest fear is you bring him in and he's healthy-ish for a year and you re-sign him to a spendy deal. Its not an issue if its just a "meh" pick and he is hurt.

 

[YoungJefe]

Dangerous for Indiana... Ayton is not the most motivated dude in the world. He may go full Minny Wiggins there. I think that is part of the reason Phoenix was worried about paying him.

The S&T element is not as tricky with Indiana since they are under the cap... the salary matching should be easy.

Possibly but Indiana's a small market team and they'll likely lose Turner regardless next offseason anyway. The Suns owner is notoriously cheap and doesn't want to be deep into the luxury tax. I'd love it for the Pacers tbh, Ayton isn't great but he's a consistent 18/10 guy. Would give them Haliburton, Duarte, Ayton, #6 pick as their young core to build around.

I just meant it gets tricky because it can't happen before the draft so that eliminates the opportunity for a team with a high lottery pick using it to acquire him.

 

[LoPo]

Possibly but Indiana's a small market team and they'll likely lose Turner regardless next offseason anyway. The Suns owner is notoriously cheap and doesn't want to be deep into the luxury tax. I'd love it for the Pacers tbh, Ayton isn't great but he's a consistent 18/10 guy. Would give them Haliburton, Duarte, Ayton, #6 pick as their young core to build around.

I just meant it gets tricky because it can't happen before the draft so that eliminates the opportunity for a team with a high lottery pick using it to acquire him.

I agree. Ayton to Indiana is a home run if they don't have to give up too much.

 

[YoungJefe]

I'd want something like:

Jazz: Collins, Hunter, Plumlee, #13, #16
Hawks: Gobert, Bojan
Hornets: Capela

 

[YoungJefe]

I agree. Ayton to Indiana is a home run if they don't have to give up too much.

It'd just be an Ayton/Turner swap I think. Pacers get a young building block, Suns get a cheaper veteran center that allows them to remain in the hut out West while saving like $15m

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Possibly but Indiana's a small market team and they'll likely lose Turner regardless next offseason anyway. The Suns owner is notoriously cheap and doesn't want to be deep into the luxury tax. I'd love it for the Pacers tbh, Ayton isn't great but he's a consistent 18/10 guy. Would give them Haliburton, Duarte, Ayton, #6 pick as their young core to build around.

I just meant it gets tricky because it can't happen before the draft so that eliminates the opportunity for a team with a high lottery pick using it to acquire him.

I like it for them... it makes sense. I'd just be a tad nervous. If I was Indiana I'd probably rather send Turner for 15 or 13 as was the rumor a few days ago and take Williams. Indiana is allergic to tanking though so they might not be patient. They likely can't use their cap space in amazing ways anyway so Ayton makes sense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd want something like:

Jazz: Collins, Hunter, Plumlee, #13, #16
Hawks: Gobert, Bojan
Hornets: Capela

Hornets won't want Capela's salary unless they can offload some... not sure why they give a lotto pick to do it. Salaries also don't match there. I think it is more likely Hayward or Rozier are involved if they take Capela.

 

[LoPo]

I'd want something like:

Jazz: Collins, Hunter, Plumlee, #13, #16
Hawks: Gobert, Bojan
Hornets: Capela

Do that and then trade Conley and #16 for KCP and #10

Then trade Rudy Gay, NAW and #10 for Jerami Grant

WOW

Don
Hunter
Grant
Collins
Plumlee
Clarkson
Royce
KCP
Juancho
Doke
Butler
#13

Might be a contender

 

[Eminence]

That squad is play-in if things go right.

 

[Shad]

Do that and then trade Conley and #16 for KCP and #10

Then trade Rudy Gay, NAW and #10 for Jerami Grant

WOW

Don
Hunter
Grant
Collins
Plumlee
Clarkson
Royce
KCP
Juancho
Doke
Butler
#13

Might be a contender

Throw Doke in that as well for any of those trades.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you want to involve Charlotte I think they get Capela and Bojan... send Hayward to Atlanta... Plumlee and McDaniels to Utah. I think they send a pick in that deal or maybe you swap their future pick that Atlanta owns for the #15.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you want to involve Charlotte I think they get Capela and Bojan... send Hayward to Atlanta... Plumlee and McDaniels to Utah. I think they send a pick in that deal or maybe you swap their future pick that Atlanta owns for the #15.

If we did this type of deal you can flip #15 or #16 with Mike for KCP and stuff + #10. I think you'd have a shot at finding something good with two bites at the apple... worst case when we rebuild those players can be part of the process. You'd also have a pretty clean cap.

 

[YoungJefe]

Hornets won't want Capela's salary unless they can offload some... not sure why they give a lotto pick to do it. Salaries also don't match there. I think it is more likely Hayward or Rozier are involved if they take Capela.

They're offloading Plumlee's $10M and the trade works financially because they currently have cap space. What other starting C are they gonna acquire

 

[YoungJefe]

If you want to involve Charlotte I think they get Capela and Bojan... send Hayward to Atlanta... Plumlee and McDaniels to Utah. I think they send a pick in that deal or maybe you swap their future pick that Atlanta owns for the #15.

The Hawks taking back Hayward/Rudy would mean they'd have to send out $68M in salary...

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They're offloading Plumlee's $10M and the trade works financially because they currently have cap space. What other starting C are they gonna acquire

They don't have cap space unless they waive Bridges caphold (meaning he leaves) and then waive Oubre (only 5M guaranteed)... I'm guessing they like those guys more than Capela.

They still have 9M from Batum's waive and stretch on the books.

They will operate over the cap and can simply sign a center using a cap exception, draft a center, or trade for another center if they miss out on Capela. Plumlee is also fine as a backup... he's a $5M player so not a huge benefit there.

 

[YoungJefe]

They don't have cap space unless they waive Bridges caphold (meaning he leaves) and then waive Oubre (only 5M guaranteed)... I'm guessing they like those guys more than Capela.

They still have 9M from Batum's waive and stretch on the books.

They will operate over the cap and can simply sign a center using a cap exception, draft a center, or trade for another center if they miss out on Capela. Plumlee is also fine as a backup... he's a $5M player so not a huge benefit there.

They also did draft Kai Jones last

 

[LoPo]

They're offloading Plumlee's $10M and the trade works financially because they currently have cap space. What other starting C are they gonna acquire

HH has me ignored so...

Miles Bridges' cap hold is $16.2. That puts Charlotte's real number at $124 if they waive the cap holds of Montrezl Harrell and Cody Martin.

The cap for next year is $122 million.

For Capela ($18.2) for Plumlee ($8.5) to work, Charlotte will have to send a little more back.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Hawks taking back Hayward/Rudy would mean they'd have to send out $68M in salary...

They don't have to match perfectly. Can be a 25% delta... I think Huerter, Capela, and JC is close enough.

 

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Andy Larsen said on the radio that it's his understanding that there is still a pretty large distance in negotiations right now between what the Jazz are asking for and what teams are willing to give up. He said negotiations may budge as we get closer to the draft, or the Jazz may wait until later in the summer to make any moves or possibly even wait until the trade deadline. Says Ainge will wait to make a trade until he can get the best value.