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Jazz get TPE for Boozer

Harcher said:
Why would Chicago do this? does boozer get more as a result of this than he would with straight signing?

So this trade is Boozer+2nd for the right to trade later with anyone else? Again, what is Chicago offering in this?
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Good question. The best I can say is that there seems to be a gentleman's agreement that when signing a top player from another team, at least give them a TPE and not devastate them. Boozer may or may not get the higher raise, and Chicago probably isn't getting much of an asset (conditional 2nd round pick?), but they are still willing to structure the deal to give the Jazz some options over the next year.

EDIT: Chicago COULD be getting one more thing. They could still pay Boozer the same total contract, but with a lower starting salary and higher raises. That helps them fit in more bang for their buck this year while they are under the cap.
 
Harcher said:
Why would Chicago do this? does boozer get more as a result of this than he would with straight signing?
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Yes. The previous response may not have been clear to you if you're not already familiar with the topic, Harcher (not that I am familiar, actually, but...). Chicago can give more (and hence Boozer can get more) to a player acquired by trade than to one acquired through free agency alone. Years aside, I think they can give him 10% annual raises in the future, instead of just 8% raises.
 
Kenwood said:
Good question. The best I can say is that there seems to be a gentleman's agreement that when signing a top player from another team, at least give them a TPE and not devastate them. Boozer may or may not get the higher raise, and Chicago probably isn't getting much of an asset (conditional 2nd round pick?), but they are still willing to structure the deal to give the Jazz some options over the next year.

EDIT: Chicago COULD be getting one more thing. They could still pay Boozer the same total contract, but with a lower starting salary and higher raises. That helps them fit in more bang for their buck this year while they are under the cap.
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This is probably true on some level regardless, but if Booze gets the 10%'s or 6th year, that won't be coming as a happy surprise to him. It will have been negotiated in advance. The Bulls knew he had leverage. So I'm guessing they made it clear they would be trying to juice the salary in some way. If Boozer gets no bump whatsoever, then the Bulls are just being really nice or following some unwritten karma protocol.
 
It seems more likely that we use the exception to take on an expensive player we don't want in the last year of their contract. As incentive, the trading team offers either a young player or draft picks. Basically, what the Thunder did to us to obtain Maynor. Teams don't usually give away players they value highly (M. Gasol, Granger, Gortat) just to save money. We should be looking to take on players with big contracts that teams don't value (Brand), and look to steal a draft pick or young player for taking on the salary.
 
Tyson Chandler's injury history scares me, but he gives this team length, a defensive and rebounding presence, and he's not a problem off the court. An expensive one year rental (possibly), but intriguing...
 
If Cleveland loses the LBJ sweepstakes and start looking to dump salary, would you guys like a player such as Jamison? Good 6th man right there...
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
It seems more likely that we use the exception to take on an expensive player we don't want in the last year of their contract. As incentive, the trading team offers either a young player or draft picks. Basically, what the Thunder did to us to obtain Maynor. Teams don't usually give away players they value highly (M. Gasol, Granger, Gortat) just to save money. We should be looking to take on players with big contracts that teams don't value (Brand), and look to steal a draft pick or young player for taking on the salary.
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this does seem like the most likely scenario, except it won't be Brand. it'll be a player that is expiring next summer.
 
gothapotamus said:
Could the Jazz take on Bogut if the Bucks were willing? I am not suggesting they would be, but what are the rules on the TPE? Could they package up other players into the deal?
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Sad thing is I and other's wanted the Jazz to trade Boozer for Bogut 2 years ago. Last year the Bucks would not have done it. Now there is no way in hell your getting him for nothing.
 
-Props to KOC. I hope the player the Jazz will add to their roster (if FO is determined to use TPE) will address some of our main weaknesses and will not create another basic problem. Like FT shooting? Okafur.. You get the idea. We have to deepen PG and Center/PF positions, firstly. The Jazz desperately need a reliable backup PG and a veteran bigman.

- Haywood signed a 6 YEAR contract with Mavs. Worth 55mil $. The door is open for Haywood lovers, I mean, Cuban made an intelligent move by locking the GREAT Brendan for 6 freakin' years. Still waiting? F*ck you KOC. 7+ footers must be the most priviliged people in this stupid world.

Interestingly, some of the most active names of this forum suddenly disappeared and I, for one, cannot wait to read, see their reactions... Verrryy iiiinnnterresssstingggg...
 
memo is money said:
-Props to KOC. I hope the player the Jazz will add to their roster (if FO is determined to use TPE) will address some of our main weaknesses and will not create another basic problem. Like FT shooting? Okafur.. You get the idea. We have to deepen PG and Center/PF positions, firstly. The Jazz desperately need a reliable backup PG and a veteran bigman.

- Haywood signed a 6 YEAR contract with Mavs. Worth 55mil $. The door is open for Haywood lovers, I mean, Cuban made an intelligent move by locking the GREAT Brendan for 6 freakin' years. Still waiting? F*ck you KOC. 7+ footers must be the most priviliged people in this stupid world.

Interestingly, some of the most active names of this forum suddenly disappeared and I, for one, cannot wait to read, see their reactions... Verrryy iiiinnnterresssstingggg...
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Are u drunk?
 
KOC made a shrewd move here. With that said, let's not forget what this really means as of right now: not only did we lose Booz, we also lost 2nd rounder. Not that 2nd rounders have much value, bit hey, thanks to the second rounder we had a few years back, we still have a decent starting PF now. Our starting and back-up centers are second rounder too. Hell, wasn't Booz himself second rounder also? So, before we begin tea bagging KOC, let's see what he does with the exception. Decent move to give up second rounder with a chance to use up the trade exception, but the whole point here is to use that exception and use it well. Otherwise we are just down a Booz and a second rounder now. I can't wait to see Jazz FO make up the ground.
 
Borat said:
KOC made a shrewd move here. With that said, let's not forget what this really means as of right now: not only did we lose Booz, we also lost 2nd rounder. Not that 2nd rounders have much value, bit hey, thanks to the second rounder we had a few years back, we still have a decent starting PF now. Our starting and back-up centers are second rounder too. Hell, wasn't Booz himself second rounder also? So, before we begin tea bagging KOC, let's see what he does with the exception. Decent move to give up second rounder with a chance to use up the trade exception, but the whole point here is to use that exception and use it well. Otherwise we are just down a Booz and a second rounder now. I can't wait to see Jazz FO make up the ground.
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First of all, you have to give up something in any trade. The 'conditional second rounder' is just a formality. Secondly, you wouldn't just trade a second round pick straight up for a 13 million dollar TPE if no players were involved? That TPE is worth far more than the 53rd pick in any draft.
 
Nothing shrewd about getting that TPE. It was practically automatic. Phoenix also got a TPE for Amare worth $16M. KOC would've been dumb or the other team's GM hated him for some reason if he couldn't get the other team to cooperate. The Bulls for their part got a 2nd rounder to go with Boozer instead of just signing him outright.
 
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