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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Jazz could potentially have 3 lotto picks in the 2023 draft if they were able to trade DM to NY Knicks. They would demand the Detroit and Washington 2023 unprotected picks and a couple future picks along with a couple of young players like Toppan or Quickly or RJ or Grimes (2 out of 4 of those players or just one if more picks are involved). Jazz could easily miss the playoffs next year and be in the lottery. With a little luck they could have a solid foundation for a future championship team.
 
cowhide said:
Jazz could potentially have 3 lotto picks in the 2023 draft if they were able to trade DM to NY Knicks. They would demand the Detroit and Washington 2023 unprotected picks and a couple future picks along with a couple of young players like Toppan or Quickly or RJ or Grimes (2 out of 4 of those players or just one if more picks are involved). Jazz could easily miss the playoffs next year and be in the lottery. With a little luck they could have a solid foundation for a future championship team.
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The pistons and wizards picks are heavily protected
 
cowhide said:
Jazz could potentially have 3 lotto picks in the 2023 draft if they were able to trade DM to NY Knicks. They would demand the Detroit and Washington 2023 unprotected picks and a couple future picks along with a couple of young players like Toppan or Quickly or RJ or Grimes (2 out of 4 of those players or just one if more picks are involved). Jazz could easily miss the playoffs next year and be in the lottery. With a little luck they could have a solid foundation for a future championship team.
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Only problem with this is those picks aren’t unprotected from Detroit and Washington.
 
cowhide said:
Jazz could potentially have 3 lotto picks in the 2023 draft if they were able to trade DM to NY Knicks. They would demand the Detroit and Washington 2023 unprotected picks and a couple future picks along with a couple of young players like Toppan or Quickly or RJ or Grimes (2 out of 4 of those players or just one if more picks are involved). Jazz could easily miss the playoffs next year and be in the lottery. With a little luck they could have a solid foundation for a future championship team.
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Neither Detroit's or Washington's picks are unprotected. Knicks can't force those teams to unprotect those picks.
 
fishonjazz said:
Some people have the position that an all star is a top tier talent. Donovan mitchell made the all star team. Is he top tier talent?
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DM is a fringe all star. Last one in each year. He does ONE thing good. And he isn't even very efficient at that one thing. He does several things bad. Very bad. Not someone who is going to lead you to a championship. Go get a haul for him DA. Or, we wallow in mediocrity.
 
Hearsky said:
DM is a fringe all star. Last one in each year. He does ONE thing good. And he isn't even very efficient at that one thing. He does several things bad. Very bad. Not someone who is going to lead you to a championship. Go get a haul for him DA. Or, we wallow in mediocrity.
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...and then he's going to leave anyway.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
People think tanks last a decade… what leads teams to being ****** for 10 years is not tanking when it’s obviously something they should do. Absorb the process fully and you will be good in 2-3 years if you have some luck… 3-4 years if you aren’t particularly lucky… maybe less.
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It could last a decade. No way to really know. Not sure how long it took minnesota or the kings to make the playoffs (probably others im missing too) but a team can definitely suck for a long long time.
 
NUMBERICA said:
The other thing about bottoming out is that you can rent your cap space to hoard picks and you can end up in a situation where a max cap slot is always near while developing premier talent. This hoard of assets allows the team to continue to build beyond the team becoming good because you can use it replenish the talent pipeline or use in trades for those final pieces.

Those benefits are mutually exclusive to this notion of retooling. You get the hoard being bad and strategic or you just don’t and then every move has to be perfect (or lucky, more likely).
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Another thing purposefully rebuilding/tanking allows you to do is take big swings on prospects.
 
Hearsky said:
DM is a fringe all star. Last one in each year. He does ONE thing good. And he isn't even very efficient at that one thing. He does several things bad. Very bad. Not someone who is going to lead you to a championship. Go get a haul for him DA. Or, we wallow in mediocrity.
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Fair
 
fishonjazz said:
Hell the jazz had favors (#3), Burks (#12), kanter (#3), trey burke (not sure but I think like #9), hayward (cant remember but might have been lottery), dante exum (#4 or #5 cant remember)
Lots and lots of busts available in the lottery. And forget busts. Lots of not even close to stars available in the lottery.
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But also all of those players taken later in the draft? You can get more of those later picks by being bad on purpose as well.
 
Hearsky said:
DM is a fringe all star. Last one in each year. He does ONE thing good. And he isn't even very efficient at that one thing. He does several things bad. Very bad. Not someone who is going to lead you to a championship. Go get a haul for him DA. Or, we wallow in mediocrity.
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He is nowhere near the last one in each year lol.
 
NUMBERICA said:
But also all of those players taken later in the draft? You can get more of those later picks by being bad on purpose as well.
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Huh? I dont understand what you are saying here.
 
Elizah Huge said:
He is nowhere near the last one in each year lol.
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No, I think that has been true. I think he has squeaked into the all star team. And if everyone was always healthy (AD, Kawhi, etc) he probably wouldn't have made an all star team yet. I dont think he has made any all nba teams yet (could be wrong about that)
 
fishonjazz said:
Huh? I dont understand what you are saying here.
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Players come from somewhere and almost always the draft. It stands to reason that if you have busts in the lottery then there are good players that are later selections.

When you are rebuilding on purpose, you can have excess cap space that you can rent to teams trying to get off contracts by extracting draft picks. These picks being in the 20’s can yield players, but getting more bites at the apple is better facilitated by embracing the rebuilding process.
 
fishonjazz said:
Hell the jazz had favors (#3), Burks (#12), kanter (#3), trey burke (not sure but I think like #9), hayward (cant remember but might have been lottery), dante exum (#4 or #5 cant remember)
Lots and lots of busts available in the lottery. And forget busts. Lots of not even close to stars available in the lottery.
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Of course, you have to draft well. If the Jazz had just kept their two picks and drafted Giannas and Gobert instead of Trey Burke, how different would the team be. We selected Trey Lyles over Booker. Lottery picks are only as good as the draft is or as good as the picks that are selected. Some drafts just suck or are overrated. Plus, you cannot plan for a player getting injured like Exum or Parker. However, for a small market the draft is the best way to get star players. Once drafted Lebron James would never consider Utah during free agency. If we keep DM then we will be stuck in mediocrity for years.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Players come from somewhere and almost always the draft. It stands to reason that if you have busts in the lottery then there are good players that are later selections.

When you are rebuilding on purpose, you can have excess cap space that you can rent to teams trying to get off contracts by extracting draft picks. These picks being in the 20’s can yield players, but getting more bites at the apple is better facilitated by embracing the rebuilding process.
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Im looking at that jazz rebuild and trying to find the good players. later selections or right at the beginning. Im having a hard time finding any. I agree that more bites at the apple is better. But there are examples when all the bites have worms in em. (how many draft picks have the kings and t wolves used in the last 15 years and how many brought them some playoff wins?)
 
fishonjazz said:
Im looking at that jazz rebuild and trying to find the good players. later selections or right at the beginning. Im having a hard time finding any. I agree that more bites at the apple is better. But there are examples when all the bites have worms in em.
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Can be, but I’d say that it’s about the hits more than the misses in a rebuilding context especially. The more apples get you more chances at hits even/especially if there are a lot of wormy/mealy apples.

The Jazz the last few years put themselves in a position where it was more about the misses than the hits: they couldn’t afford to miss and then they missed most of the time.
 
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