Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz
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Hearsky
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That wasn't the ****ing question. But, I know your super power is avoiding the question.
Hearsky
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Quit playing obtuse and answer the question.
YoungJefe
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Donovan Mitchell: 26 ppg, 4 rpg, 5 apg on 45/35/85 splits
Stephen Curry: 25.5 ppg, 5 rpg, 6 apg on 44/38/92 splits
Devin Booker: 27 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 46/38/85 splits
Averaged basically the same number across the board as Curry and Booker last season. Does that argument apply for them as well? What did they do significantly better then Donovan on worse offensive teams?
YoungJefe
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Curry averages 1 more rebound/1 more assist per game while scoring less/lower efficiency. Booker scores 1 more ppg on slightly better efficiency and averages the same number of rebounds and assists. Neither guy is great defensively either. So do they suck?
Hearsky
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So, I take it you can't identify ONE thing DM can do above average other than volume scoring. Got it.
YoungJefe
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Rebounding and playmaking at nearly the same rate as Finals MVP, Steph Curry.
LogGrad98
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Booker: Leads his team to the Finals, then into the 2nd round
Curry: Yet either title and finals MVP
Hmmm, now how far did Mitchell "lead" his team?
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And yet cannot generate a series win like Steph. Weird huh?
YoungJefe
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@Hearsky
In 2021-2022 the only players in the NBA to average 25+ ppg and 5+ apg:
Donovan, Giannis, LeBron, Curry, Jokic, Doncic, Trae
In 2020-2021:
Donovan, Trae, Luka, Jokic, Lillard, Fox, Kyrie, Giannis, Curry, and LeBron
The only two players to do it in each of the last two seasons: Donovan, Jokic, Giannis, LeBron, Curry, Doncic and Trae
Not terrible company.
I also missed when Trae, Luka, Lillard, Jokic, or Curry were defensive monsters.
In 2021-2022 the only players in the NBA to average 25+ ppg and 5+ apg:
Donovan, Giannis, LeBron, Curry, Jokic, Doncic, Trae
In 2020-2021:
Donovan, Trae, Luka, Jokic, Lillard, Fox, Kyrie, Giannis, Curry, and LeBron
The only two players to do it in each of the last two seasons: Donovan, Jokic, Giannis, LeBron, Curry, Doncic and Trae
Not terrible company.
I also missed when Trae, Luka, Lillard, Jokic, or Curry were defensive monsters.
YoungJefe
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Curry actually has an elite HOF god tier defender in Green and good scoring options around him not a PE teacher and Jordan Clarkson.
Steph couldn't even make the playoffs last year, why was that again?
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What about in the clutch this year when games actually mattered? What about in the playoffs this year? How do they compare?
YoungJefe
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There 7 players that have averaged 25+ ppg and 5+ apg the last two seasons, Donovan is one of them.
Again we just saw a team trade away 2 lottery picks to clear cap space for Jalen Brunson on a 100M+ deal and people act like Don isn't going to be valued around the league.
We should tank, hopefully the guy we get averages 25/5/5
This.
There’s been some griping about these Minnesota picks turning into late 1st rounders, and a few are probably going to. But…. Rudy is now on the wrong side of 30 and big men older than 30 tend to fight the injury bug more often.
I don’t wish injuries on any opposing players, but It’s not out of the realm that you see KAT or Rudy having an injury plagued season and then the other gets hurt and Minnesota decides to suck it up, protect their massive investments, shut ‘em both down and live to fight another day. Look no further than L.A. for a real time example of what that looks like for the Clippers as they endure the Kawhai and PG13 saga.
That was a swing and miss by you on anything close to an anwer. That wasnt the question and your argument might be for someone else.
I want to keep Mitchell if he is committed to staying at least a couple more seasons. If he isnt then you trade him for the best thing possible, he has decent value but we wont come out ahead in the trade.
But again Mitchell was really bad last year. Can he bounce back? Probably, but maybe not. He did not defend at all, he was historically bad in the clutch (maybe the worst ever in NBA history for that amount touches) and was terrible in the playoffs on both ends.
Steph won because he is a much better player and had good defense around him. We had good or better scoring options around Mitchell, we had an elite defender. We had no other defenders though and we had our star player choke really hard in the playoffs.
But again Mitchell was really bad last year. Can he bounce back? Probably, but maybe not. He did not defend at all, he was historically bad in the clutch (maybe the worst ever in NBA history for that amount touches) and was terrible in the playoffs on both ends.
Steph won because he is a much better player and had good defense around him. We had good or better scoring options around Mitchell, we had an elite defender. We had no other defenders though and we had our star player choke really hard in the playoffs.
danteexum11
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mitchell needs to loose weight
YoungJefe
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Can you show me the clutch stats for him against the other top stars in the league? Also 25/5/5 on 45/35/85 splits for the #1 offensive team in the NBA is really bad? Lol
The Jazz haven’t had anyone that could score at a level since Karl Malone. If we keep him or trade him, it is what it is.
My entire point has been that he has value around the league. iirc fisher and Larsen said if the jazz move on they expect the package to be one good young players and 4-5 first round picks.
YoungJefe
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You think Bojan, Rudy, and Clarkson are better scoring options then Thompson, Poole, and Wiggins? Jesus
We did have the number one offense. Those three score more points at 48 vs 56 but at worse true shooting percentage and better offensive ranking, hence the #1 offensive rating team in the NBA. You also left off Conley who is the worst offensive rating of those 4 on the Jazz is better than the best from those 3.