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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

margodydek said:
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Would you do something like this?
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I’ve seen enough of this general outline to say the following to everyone.

Stop trying to help the Knicks so much. Randle is the key to them being dog ****. Him staying in NY to the best of our ability is central to the plan:

-he is bad salary
-he is a locker room cancer
-he doesn’t make anyone around him better
-he prefers the mid-range, isn’t particularly good there, and puts blinders on in the high-post
-he isn’t really a PnR player
-he is not a spacer and can go on horrendous shooting streaks

Mitchell Robinson also is a bad screen setter. Donovan is gonna be in for a rude awakening when he has no lane and no one setting good screens. It’s perfect.
 
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Aside from the obvious talent gap between Mitchell and Curry, both on offense and defense, they play nothing alike. If Mitchell had the same zeal in playing off-ball, running a ****-ton more than any other PG on offense and didn't mind being the primary beneficiary of those efforts, he too could be an All-NBA player.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I’ve seen enough of this general outline to say the following to everyone.

Stop trying to help the Knicks so much. Randle is the key to them being dog ****. Him staying in NY to the best of our ability is central to the plan:

-he is bad salary
-he is a locker room cancer
-he doesn’t make anyone around him better
-he prefers the mid-range, isn’t particularly good there, and puts blinders on in the high-post
-he isn’t really a PnR player
-he is not a spacer and can go on horrendous bad shooting streaks

Mitchell Robinson also is a bad screen setter. Donovan is gonna be in for a rude awakening when he has no lane and no one setting good screens. It’s perfect.
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I suspect you get no deal if the Knicks feel like they have no path to improvement. They may be thirsty for DM, but I'm not counting on them being stupid. The reports seem to indicate that they're independently smart enough to want to move on from Randle if they get Mitchell.
 
idiot said:
I suspect you get no deal if the Knicks feel like they have no path to improvement. They may be thirsty for DM, but I'm not counting on them being stupid. The reports seem to indicate that they're independently smart enough to want to move on from Randle if they get Mitchell.
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The reports are from a guy that said the Don trade was basically done a week ago or whatever. They also may want to move on from Randle and are smart enough to know its a good idea, but that doesn't mean another team will bite. Especially not with compensation. I saw reports earlier in the offseason that they weren't going to trade him at his lowest value... in part because it would require some assets.

Their first step needs to be to get Don... you can figure out the rest later. We don't have to solve all their problems. If they want our star they need to pay... that price will hurt their ability to improve beyond that... but their current path is less bright without Donovan. Randle is their problem to solve. If we take him it is because we got like 7/8 firsts and they paid a "randle" tax to do so.
 
Right... "give us your star... and make it easier to improve later... TIA"
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The reports are from a guy that said the Don trade was basically done a week ago or whatever. They also may want to move on from Randle and are smart enough to know its a good idea, but that doesn't mean another team will bite. Especially not with compensation. I saw reports earlier in the offseason that they weren't going to trade him at his lowest value... in part because it would require some assets.

Their first step needs to be to get Don... you can figure out the rest later. We don't have to solve all their problems. If they want our star they need to pay... that price will hurt their ability to improve beyond that... but their current path is less bright without Donovan. Randle is their problem to solve. If we take him it is because we got like 7/8 firsts and they paid a "randle" tax to do so.
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Isnt Randle CAA Family? I don't think they move him yet. Maybe in the future, but the price would be too high to get off him and selling at the lowest point would be stupid. Randle can be better than he was last year, at least a bit.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Isnt Randle CAA Family? I don't think they move him yet. Maybe in the future, but the price would be too high to get off him and selling at the lowest point would be stupid. Randle can be better than he was last year, at least a bit.
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Right... but there was some tweet from a dude that says he won't be on the team if Don gets moved there. That's what sparked the discussion. It would cost a pick to get off his deal now... at least one. The smart move is to hold on and hope he improves and you can move him. At very least if they wait a year then there are 3 years left on his deal and not 4.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right... but there was some tweet from a dude that says he won't be on the team if Don gets moved there. That's what sparked the discussion. It would cost a pick to get off his deal now... at least one. The smart move is to hold on and hope he improves and you can move him. At very least if they wait a year then there are 3 years left on his deal and not 4.
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That's weird to me. I would assume getting Donovan would make them more likely to keep Randle.

If that the case, then the Jazz definitely arent getting Obi.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
That's weird to me. I would assume getting Donovan would make them more likely to keep Randle.

If that the case, then the Jazz definitely arent getting Obi.
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I doubt anyone is taking Randle... Obi will be in the deal and have a monster breakout year (on a 20 win team). Will break the record for cool dunks in meaningless minutes.
 
idiot said:
I suspect you get no deal if the Knicks feel like they have no path to improvement. They may be thirsty for DM, but I'm not counting on them being stupid. The reports seem to indicate that they're independently smart enough to want to move on from Randle if they get Mitchell.
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There is no reporting or rumor that the Knicks are demanding Randle be part of the deal. So the Jazz shouldn’t be going out of their way to facilitate that.
 
NUMBERICA said:
There is no reporting or rumor that the Knicks are demanding Randle be part of the deal. So the Jazz shouldn’t be going out of their way to facilitate that.
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If the Knicks want to give us 7-8 1sts total we will take him though. Would be hilarious if that happened and we rehabbed his value then flipped him for more picks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right... but there was some tweet from a dude that says he won't be on the team if Don gets moved there. That's what sparked the discussion. It would cost a pick to get off his deal now... at least one. The smart move is to hold on and hope he improves and you can move him. At very least if they wait a year then there are 3 years left on his deal and not 4.
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In the meantime, even if Randle improves his game, his game essentially never has made his teammates better and it’s not a coincidence that every team he’s been on isn’t good. So they’ll probably not be very good for the first phase of the operation which is why I am insistent on owning their draft. I take swaps over their raft of other teams’ protected picks if I have to choose, and it’s not close.
 
Elizah Huge said:
If the Knicks want to give us 7-8 1sts total we will take him though. Would be hilarious if that happened and we rehabbed his value then flipped him for more picks.
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Yeah, or that gives the Knicks the springboard to success that legitimately endangers the premium value of the return. I am dead set on him not being in any deal we are a part of.
 
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