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Did mine in Brazil, near heard the national anthem at church. Also lived there post mission for a time. Again, never once.I have a different take and experience than others in this thread.
I've always understood that we celebrate and support whatever country we are in to the best of our abilities and while there work to make things better from within.
The teaching that stood as the backbone of this was for me Article of Faith 12 "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."
For me that means supporting the country I live in, and also for me that means knowing the pledge of allegiance and at times singing the national anthem.
We have at times sung the national anthem at church meetings around the 4th.
While I don't have an extensive travel history, I had always hoped that meant the national songs/anthems/pledges or whatever is equivalent were supported in those other countries.
The church is not necessarily in support of the US, but is in support of and/or respects all countries and encourages members to adhere to laws in the country they live in.
This is definitely not the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is as a whole in support of the US and that the US is better than any and all other countries. My take is that we are in support of people. All people.
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GOP Should be Party of Christian Nationalists, Marjorie Taylor Greene Says at Turning Point USA Summit
Greene spoke at the Turning Point USA Student Action Summit, where many Republicans also embraced extremist ideology.truthout.org
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Opinion: Marjorie Taylor Greene's words on Christian nationalism are a wake-up call | CNN
Recent comments about Christian nationalism by Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert mark an alarming turn, writes Amanda Tyler, who argues that Christians have a special responsibility to step up at this critical moment to reject an ideology that distorts both the Christian faith and...www.cnn.com
View: https://twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1551947364314877952
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An 'imposter Christianity' is threatening American democracy | CNN
Scholars and historians say the harmful teachings of White Christian nationalism -- which help spark the January 6 attack on the US Capitol -- have been adopted by many Americans without them knowing it.www.cnn.com
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How White Christian Nationalists Seek to Transform America
The sociologist Samuel Perry studies the views of people who believe that America was founded as a Christian nation, based on Biblical principles. He argues that this ideology is on the rise—and that it is threatening our democracy.www.newyorker.com
The task before us is the most difficult which has faced Christian Nationalist statesmen in living memory. But we all have unbounded confidence, for we believe in our nation and in its eternal values. Farmers, workers, and the middle class must unite to contribute the bricks wherewith to Make America Great Again.
The Christian Nationalists will therefore regard it as our first and supreme task to restore to the American people unity of mind and will. We will preserve and defend the foundations on which the strength of our nation rests. We will take under our firm protection Christianity as the basis of our morality, and the family as the nucleus of our nation and our state. Standing above race and classes, we will bring back to our people the consciousness of our racial and political unity and the obligations arising therefrom. We wish to base the education of American youth on respect for our great past and pride in our old traditions...America must not and will not sink into socialist anarchy.
I found another excerpt from her speech...
There was more too. Lots about making America great again and avoiding socialism. It is so inspiring!
Is this socialism?I found another excerpt from her speech...
There was more too. Lots about making America great again and avoiding socialism. It is so inspiring!
By the way, this is actually text from Hitler's first Radio address. I literally just changed references to Nazis to Christian nationalists.I found another excerpt from her speech...
There was more too. Lots about making America great again and avoiding socialism. It is so inspiring!
I thought that sounded too coherent to be MTG.By the way, this is actually text from Hitler's first Radio address. I literally just changed references to Nazis to Christian nationalists.
Yeah but it's a little unnerving how well it fit.I thought that sounded too coherent to be MTG.
Trump threw open the doors to Christian nationalism….
View: https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/07/31/katherine-stewart-christian-nationalism-donald-trump-rs-vpx.cnn
Trump threw open the doors to Christian nationalism….
View: https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/07/31/katherine-stewart-christian-nationalism-donald-trump-rs-vpx.cnn
“Frankly, we really don’t need a lot law if we’re people of morality,” Huckabee continued. “There are only 10 basic laws that we need. If you think about it, the Ten Commandments cover it all. There’s no need for an 11th. Everything that we need in life is covered in the 10. And the reason that law gets more complicated is because we try to figure out clever ways around those 10.”
Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister and former pastor, took things a step further later in his 10-minute “testimony.”
“I hope that you know Jesus Christ personally,” he said. “I hope that he is in your life, in your heart, because to the degree to which he rules you and governs you, you need less and less of man’s law to tell you how to live. And that is what our founding fathers understood, and we must understand.”
Rick Santorum declared his belief that the laws in our country must “comport” with God’s law. Santorum also argued in opposition to marriage equality, that our nation’s values “are based on Biblical truth… And, those truths don’t change just because people’s attitudes may change.”
Today, about half of Americans (49%) say the Bible should have at least “some” influence on U.S. laws, including nearly a quarter (23%) who say it should have “a great deal” of influence, according to a recent Pew Research Center survey. Among U.S. Christians, two-thirds (68%) want the Bible to influence U.S. laws…
When the Bible and the will of the people conflict, which should have more influence on U.S. laws?The more common answer to this question is that the Bible should take priority over the will of the people. This view is expressed by more than a quarter of all Americans (28%).
Christianity, as it developed in the United States, and affected our identity, I think it’s a unique thing, and worthy of study on so many levels.I’m curious why you think it’s taken the media so long to recognize the danger this movement poses for American democracy? It’s not like it’s new. Mike Huckabee’s campaign in 2008 was far more explicit with his embrace with Christian nationalism than Trumps (perhaps that’s why Trump won and Huckabee and Santorum didn’t?)
Santorum:
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Christian Sharia Law in America
It’s not just the fringe anymore. Mainstream conservatives are trying to bring America’s laws into agreement with ‘God’s law.’www.thedailybeast.com
It’s not like they’re screaming into the void. This should horrify most people on this website:
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Half of Americans say Bible should influence U.S. laws, including 28% who favor it over the will of the people
About half of Americans say the Bible should have at least “some” influence on U.S. laws; 23% say it should have “a great deal” of influence.www.pewresearch.org
Nationalism seems to run so afoul of real biblical Christianity as to be a parody of it. How in the ****ing hell can they say that they will force this on everyone while also loving their neighbor as themselves. Condemn everyone to hell, but forgive them for they know not what they do. The way Christianity has been bastardized and commercialized and every other -ized is just sickening in so many ways. Jesus would in no way recognize any of this as any kind of religion he espoused. I am sure he would liken this kind of thing far more to the money-lenders in the temple than the widow and her mite. Just disgusting how they use this all for political and financial gain, and for NO OTHER REASON. It is like we are heading into the crusades all over again. How long until the inquisition? What a joke, a blasphemous and sacrilegious joke.Christianity, as it developed in the United States, and affected our identity, I think it’s a unique thing, and worthy of study on so many levels.
Christian nationalism could never be my cup of tea. But it’s not hard to see it as a potent motivating myth. I think it carry’s a degree of potential danger, if it’s foundation is built on a myth, and spits out nuts like this:
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The Rapture and the Real World: Mike Pompeo Blends Beliefs and Policy (Published 2019)
America’s top diplomat stands out in the Trump administration for brazenly inserting his evangelical Christian beliefs into discussions of foreign policy.www.nytimes.com
I saved this three part series, from early in Trump’s term. Any lessons extend beyond Trump, since this merger of faith and nation is endemic here.
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I think we have to look at it through a different lens. Cuz you’re right, what these “Christians” want to do is antithetical to what most could consider to be mainstream Christian beliefs. There certainly are nutcakes who think the forcing everyone to be Christian to quicken the rapture would be good. But I don’t think most are into that.Nationalism seems to run so afoul of real biblical Christianity as to be a parody of it. How in the ****ing hell can they say that they will force this on everyone while also loving their neighbor as themselves. Condemn everyone to hell, but forgive them for they know not what they do. The way Christianity has been bastardized and commercialized and every other -ized is just sickening in so many ways. Jesus would in no way recognize any of this as any kind of religion he espoused. I am sure he would liken this kind of thing far more to the money-lenders in the temple than the widow and her mite. Just disgusting how they use this all for political and financial gain, and for NO OTHER REASON. It is like we are heading into the crusades all over again. How long until the inquisition? What a joke, a blasphemous and sacrilegious joke.