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Following potential 2012 draftees

Catchall said:
It's hard to find a "prototypical SF" to be honest, and if you try too hard to the perfect one, you might end up drafting badly--e.g., Dorell Wright, Donte Greene, Jeff Green, etc. Grant Hill looked like the prototypical SF, but he couldn't shoot outside. Glenn Robinson was a shooter, but didn't play defense and couldn't drive. Gerald Wallace has nice defense and hang time, but lacks shooting touch. TMac was an offensive machine, but didn't play defense. Jamal Mashburn was a decent prototype for an SF, as was Scottie Pippen, but Pippen was a shaky outside shooter. Josh Howard is a decent all-around SF in terms of skill set. I guess Kevin Durant is the new standard, unless you want a power-3 like Carmello, but even Durant lacks post skills and is a so-so passer.

When it's all said and done, the SF position might actually have the least direct impact on winning games, just based on where he's positioned on the floor in most sets. We may be better off deciding if we're looking for a shooter, a slasher, a defender, a facilitator, a rebounder, etc. and see if we can find someone with 2 or 3 of these skills. Assume everyone is going to have pluses and minuses. I would assume having a guy who can play defense, run out on breaks and hit open looks is the ideal.

The lure of Perry Jones is to get a guy who has a couple unguardable moves 10-feet from the hoop, and also has the ability to dump the ball off to cutters or post players. Anything else he gives you, in terms of rebounds, defensive plays, etc. is a bonus.
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I like this post. This is also why I'm high on K-G. He guards the other teams best player (1 through 4) and still stuffs the stat sheet. He's rare, I'm tellin' y'all.
 
Kidd-Gilchrist could be near to Andre Iguodala in terms of ceiling, but I don't think he's quite that explosive and athletic. Iggy can really fly. K-G looks like a 2-way player, but he's going to need to hit open looks.

I could see the Jazz wanting a player that does some dirty work, fights through picks, double teams, gets rebounds and really digs in on defense. It's as much a mentality as a physical skill set. Bryon Russel used to do that stuff, and it was an important role. Hayward can do some of that. I'm really intrigued to see if Paul Millsap, instead of being overwhelmed as a PF, can be more of an enforcer as an SF out on the floor. I'd love to see him get out and defend like Ron Artest.
 
While we're talking about possible fits at SF, it's worth taking a look at Thomas Robinson of Kansas. He's a 6'8" power player, but he has some quickness and is a real physical beast. He doesn't have outside range, but he's about as physical as an SF could possibly be. I know everyone is going to say he's a PF, but it may be possible for him to swing between forward positions.
 
Catchall said:
While we're talking about possible fits at SF, it's worth taking a look at Thomas Robinson of Kansas. He's a 6'8" power player, but he has some quickness and is a real physical beast. He doesn't have outside range, but he's about as physical as an SF could possibly be. I know everyone is going to say he's a PF, but it may be possible for him to swing between forward positions.
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He is 6'9" at least (in shoes). I have never heard anyone call him a SF ever. His best skill far and away is rebounding, I do not know why any coach would want to take that away and put him on the perimeter.
 
I'm telling you guys, our future SF should be Jimmy Butler. But won't, because Chicago isn't going to let him go anywhere.
 
I really want MKG in a non sexual way. I think he is top 5 which could be a problem. I think the Jazz need to stand pat with the roster this year. If we end up with two picks in the lotto I think we could package Milsap and the better pick to move into top 5. Assumong the better pick is the 8-10 range. Would anyone trade two lotto picks in this draft to go top 5? I would for Drummond, Davis or MKG.
 
Verlin said:
I really want MKG in a non sexual way. I think he is top 5 which could be a problem. I think the Jazz need to stand pat with the roster this year. If we end up with two picks in the lotto I think we could package Milsap and the better pick to move into top 5. Assumong the better pick is the 8-10 range. Would anyone trade two lotto picks in this draft to go top 5? I would for Drummond, Davis or MKG.
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I really like those three as well. Problem is I also really like QMiller, PJonesIII, Sullinger (not so much), Barnes, Beal, Rivers, JLamb, and a few others. I think you give up too much to turn two into one ... unless it's for #1 or #2.
 
I'm down on QMiller, Sullinger and Barnes personally so I'd lean towards doing two for one if I thought the one was "the guy".
 
It's clear Miller isn't' going to have a great year now that P.Jones is using the majority of the possessions. MKG is helped out by the fact that there isn't a main option on UK.
 
Miller will eventually get back into the groove once he finds where he fits in. He is hardly taking any shots right now.
 
I'm sure he will, I'm just worried it may happen too late, so his stock will fall far enough that he won't enter the draft. But we'll see.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
It's clear Miller isn't' going to have a great year now that P.Jones is using the majority of the possessions. MKG is helped out by the fact that there isn't a main option on UK.
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Terrible take. Miller can't have a great year because he's playing with another great player ... yet K-G has it better because he has MORE talent around him? Rough logic.
 
PKM said:
Terrible take. Miller can't have a great year because he's playing with another great player ... yet K-G has it better because he has MORE talent around him? Rough logic.
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No, just saying Miller won't be able to put up BIG numbers because Baylor's offense is centered around Jones. UK, from what I've seen, don't really run their offense through anyone, making it more equal opportunity.
 
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