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Beverley to Lakers for THT and Stanley Johnson

whatthe said:
Let me gently point out that an escrow payment or down payment is part of the same contract.

Now please continue, this is a sports site so various opinions should be encouraged.
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Correct and that is what I am saying. This is essentially one contract (if my theory is correct)... the THT/Bev trade is the down payment... or if it was a commercial property deal it is the nonrefundable deposit.

Because comparisons are never perfect... there might be a couple things to iron out... like say they want Reddish but if we can't get that done we will put in Vando when it is completely final.

It is probably incorrect... does not mean it isn't plausible and I've explained a bunch of reasons why.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Correct and that is what I am saying. This is essentially one contract (if my theory is correct)... the THT/Bev trade is the down payment... or if it was a commercial property deal it is the nonrefundable deposit.

Because comparisons are never perfect... there might be a couple things to iron out... like say they want Reddish but if we can't get that done we will put in Vando when it is completely final.

It is probably incorrect... does not mean it isn't plausible and I've explained a bunch of reasons why.
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Maybe but also nah. Only Danny and Jeannie Buss would for sure know. This seems so risky that it could crumble easily.
 
KqWIN said:
Yeah I do know what a down payment is. I know enough about down payments to know that what you really mean is deposit, but that's not the point.

In you're scenario, the Lakers are the party worried about the completion of the deal....not the Jazz. Don't think that's the case. Also, when there's a deposit both sides deliver. Only the Jazz are delivering here.
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I've used both terms... they are essentially the same and neither are a pinky promise or a favor.

Yes... no ****... we do a deposit now... we get the delivery in a near future date. Like I put the deposit on this deal and in 30 days I get the right to use/develop it when the deal goes final.

Its not that hard to understand.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I've used both terms... they are essentially the same and neither are a pinky promise or a favor.

Yes... no ****... we do a deposit now... we get the delivery in a near future date. Like I put the deposit on this deal and in 30 days I get the right to use/develop it when the deal goes final.

Its not that hard to understand.
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They are not the same lol...but it doesn't really matter I know what you meant.

When a deposit is required, it's because the team that receives the deposit is taking on risk. There is zero risk for the Lakers. All they have to do is say, no thanks we'll just take Beverley. Anything that is not in writing is a pinky promise. The only thing that is in writing is Beverley for THT. The Jazz got nothing out of the "deposit". I'm also confused because you started off saying this was some kind of wink wink deal, which it would be, but now it's not?

It's like paying a non refundable deposit for a landscaper, but the landscaper doesn't have to show up at all and can just keep the money.
 
I think the Lakers are keeping their options open and both teams had a guy that the other team wanted. Simple as that.

Still hopeful that the Jazz have the better odds over Indiana in a RW trade/buyout. Regardless of what players and assets are being tossed around in discussions, $47 million is a bitter pull to swallow. If Ryan is willing to do that, then I think it increases the chances that the Jazz make the deal. I’m not sure the Pacers owner is willing to pull that trigger.

It’s one thing to make the trade, but then you still have to eat $47 million dollars. It’s a bold decision.
 
KqWIN said:
They are not the same lol...but it doesn't really matter I know what you meant.

When a deposit is required, it's because the team that receives the deposit is taking on risk. There is zero risk for the Lakers. All they have to do is say, no thanks we'll just take Beverley. Anything that is not in writing is a pinky promise. The only thing that is in writing is Beverley for THT. The Jazz got nothing out of the "deposit". I'm also confused because you started off saying this was some kind of wink wink deal, which it would be, but now it's not?

It's like paying a non refundable deposit for a landscaper, but the landscaper doesn't have to show up at all and can just keep the money.
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Make it as convoluted as you want… add in all your extra bull **** that was never implied… throw out all you absolutes that aren’t true (anything not in writing is a pinky promise for example)… I don’t care anymore.

The essentially have agreed to a deal and executed the part they could for now… a part that might not be completely equal but a part the we’re both comfortable with for now…could be any number of reasons either side would want to… I won’t argue one of those particular scenarios because there are a few reasons why and we don’t have all the info. There are lots of reasons deposits are required… not just one party taking risk.

So believe me or don’t… I’m good. I suggest you go ahead and throw me on ignore since most the **** I say gets a disrespect lmao from you… and you rather pick nits than actually discuss stuff.
 
Elizah Huge said:
What you doing in Phoenix?

Filiberto’s is usually pretty good though what did you get?
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My daughters went to U of A and stayed down here. I come down every few months. I had Filbertos a few years ago. I remember it as pretty good. Green chili burrito and chili verde didn't sit right this time.
 
Hearsky said:
My daughters went to U of A and stayed down here. I come down every few months. I had Filbertos a few years ago. I remember it as pretty good. Green chili burrito and chili verde didn't sit right this time.
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Super cool man. I’m in Northern AZ.
 
On the record....I still think the Jazz offer is wayyyy better than the Pacers offer for WB. Turner/Hield kills their cap space. If I was Lakers, I'd might just prefer to buy out Westbrook or keep him and hope it works out instead. They have some of the most premium cap space in the league and they really shouldn't be paying 2 firsts to use it on Hield and Turner.
 
Agent#00 said:
This trade made Ainge looks like a mortal. A few weeks ago he was the Lord of lords
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I think this is where a lot of the discussion in this thread is stemming from: How does our merciless robot of an executive, Danny Ainge, make this deal at this time?

I think the most simple, straightforward, and probable answer is that he believes in THT way more than those of us criticizing the deal. There are other more creative/more complicated possibilities though.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I think this is where a lot of the discussion in this thread is stemming from: How does our merciless robot of an executive, Danny Ainge, make this deal at this time?

I think the most simple, straightforward, and probable answer is that he believes in THT way more than those of us criticizing the deal. There are other more creative/more complicated possibilities though.
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Well said. It could be more complicated but I am leaning toward Ainge believing that THT has potential. I also think it may have been the best offer he was getting for Bev and I dont think Bev or the Jazz wanted him here.
 
If we're trying to tank it was a good trade...there will be picks to get next year also. He'll be a trade asset or if he's really good, leave and 11 million off the books. If we're going full tank, plan on sucking for years....that's how it works. And for those of us still following the Jazz in 10 years, after the "process" doesn't work for us, we may well look back at the "tank" as not a great plan, we'll see :)
 
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