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Surprised Fess hasn't been picked up

It's unfortunate. I think Fes had all the ability to be a coach selection all star a few times. His athleticism and his size was a great combo and I think his reasonable ceiling (with desire being the only thing holding him back) is an Arvydas Sabonis in terms of talent and effect on the game (not in the sense that their games are similar).
 
Due to not being serious regarding the NBA, he isn't keeping himself in shape, meaning the injuries are starting to add up as he gets older. If we hadn't drafted Kanter, who looks like he's already a better rebounder than Fes, MAYBE we'd have re-signed Fes for his D.
 
If Fes wanted to be a good NBA player he would have been. I guess millions of dollars doesn't mean the same thing to some people that it does to others.
 
infection said:
It's unfortunate. I think Fes had all the ability to be a coach selection all star a few times. His athleticism and his size was a great combo and I think his reasonable ceiling (with desire being the only thing holding him back) is an Arvydas Sabonis in terms of talent and effect on the game (not in the sense that their games are similar).
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Sabonis was one of the greatest international players of all-time. Had he come into the NBA when he was initially drafted, he'd likely be on that list for this league too. Don't see how Fes, at any point in his career, had his ceiling that high. That said, I hope Fes will make a comeback in some capacity soon.
 
AlaskanAssassin said:
The best-kept secret in the NBA right now is Fesenko's monstrous defensive stats. It's not that one or two metrics point out his defensive value; it's that all of them do, without any pointing to the contrary.

Last season the Jazz were an eye-popping 11.91 points per 100 possessions better on defense with Fesenko on the floor, and this is not a new trend. The season before it was 8.67; in limited minutes his first two seasons he also had a strong differential.
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True, but you can only put him in the game with four or less minutes left in quarters where the team has accumulated no fouls. Otherwise foul trouble is inevitable and he erases any gain given.
 
According to Hoopshype, The Heat are taking a long look at Fes.

Fes in South Beach - that'll work out well.
 
candrew said:
According to Hoopshype, The Heat are taking a long look at Fes.

Fes in South Beach - that'll work out well.
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Yeah the Trib mentioned it as well
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogsjazznotes/53168958-62/fesenko-drawing-interest-jazz.html.csp

Former Jazz center Kyrylo Fesenko is drawing interest from Miami, Golden State, Detroit and the Los Angeles Clippers, a source said Thursday.

The 7-foot-1, 280-pound Fesenko played four seasons with Utah, averaging 2.3 points and 2.0 rebounds in 132 games. He is an unrestricted free agent.

Brian T. Smith
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Fes and a potential NBA championship ring? I guess worse things have happened.

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infection said:
It's unfortunate. I think Fes had all the ability to be a coach selection all star a few times. His athleticism and his size was a great combo and I think his reasonable ceiling (with desire being the only thing holding him back) is an Arvydas Sabonis in terms of talent and effect on the game (not in the sense that their games are similar).
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Saying Fes had the potential to be one of the greatest international players of all time...really? Well, my ceiling was Albert Einstein. I mean we both had two arms, two legs and a brain.

I want some of whatever you've been smoking. Or have you already given the rest to Fes?
 
infection said:
I think his reasonable ceiling (with desire being the only thing holding him back) is an Arvydas Sabonis in terms of talent and effect on the game (not in the sense that their games are similar).
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You can't compare greatest center in Europe's basketball history to Fess... just not making any sense. Sorry, Fess and Sabonis in one sentence is a basketball blasphemy.
 
Kanter is replacing Fess in a number of ways, he's someone our international scouts had their eyes on, they are both big paint presences, and both seem a bit goofy. Drafting Kanter pretty much guaranteed that Fes wouldn't be back. As far as Fes's ceiling, I think he's close to it. Unless he develops a much greater feel for the game I don't imagine he gets much better, and we gave him plenty of opportunities.
 
The heat would seem to be a perfect fit for him - they won't require anything of him offensively and he will help their already great defense. I think the heat seem like a great situation for him. Much more relaxed team atmosphere too which might be good for him.
 
cctrackstar said:
Kanter is replacing Fess in a number of ways, he's someone our international scouts had their eyes on, they are both big paint presences, and both seem a bit goofy. Drafting Kanter pretty much guaranteed that Fes wouldn't be back. As far as Fes's ceiling, I think he's close to it. Unless he develops a much greater feel for the game I don't imagine he gets much better, and we gave him plenty of opportunities.
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Although KF's "feel" is still lacking, I respectfully disagree otherwise.

While the highly visible rationales for Sloan not to play Fes included KF's off-court antics and his offense (especially relative to a moneyball rainmaker from Turkey), Fesenko was still a factor off the bench multiple times, including a respectable performance in the playoffs vs. the Fakers. And of course if Fes had had a Millsapian (a.k.a. paperboyesque) work ethic, then he'd probably be working on the second or third year of a substantial multi-year contract by now. But to say that "we" gave him plenty of opportunities understates the importance of any player--especially a big--to get a minimum quantity of minutes on a regular basis in order to develop. Fes--whether he "deserved" so little time or not--logged a mere 1089 regular-season minutes over four years; that's less than Ostertag (also a player who had been accused of poor work ethic, weak offense, bad free-throw shooting, and even making Sloan go "sideways") logged in two years.
https://www.nba.com/playerfile/greg_ostertag/

Given that the 1995 Jazz didn't have a tempting alternative at the 5 spot (not one that I can recall) like the 2007 Jazz did (Slowkur), Sloan had little choice but to play Ostertag (also in part because he was a first-rounder, which coaches tend to give more of a chance than minimum-level second-rounders, unless the latter is a Paperboy-like producer). But the reality remains: few players, if any--from superstars to scrubs--are unlikely to develop if they don't get minimal minutes for a reasonable period of time.

My definition of "minimal" is at least 8 to 10 MPG; my definition of "reasonable period" is at least a year or two on a regular basis. Fesenko got neither (a thousand minutes over approximately a theoretical 70 available games per year is <4 MPG), even in the occasions when he contributed, and unfortunately he didn't transform such contradictory incentives into more motivation. A few bouts with injuries and illness didn't help.

Kanter is probably better now, and he probably has a higher and more visible ceiling (as does Favors, of course), so unless the Jazz really want a 5th big to replace Okur, any discussion of Fes back to the Jazz is moot, and it's not like Corbin gave him any more opportunity than Sloan did; Favors was already favored for development time. But part of me wants him to have another chance at the NBA just to show Sloan (and Fes bashers) what development time can do. Same goes for Koufos, who has also barely sniffed a total of thousand regular-season minutes over three years (and is doing decently in preseason play on a depleted Denver team).
https://www.nba.com/playerfile/kosta_koufos/career_stats.html

I'm optimistic that Corbin will figure out--by choice or by chance--the importance of court time for youngins; the financial tradeaway of Okur facilitates that process. Maybe, just maybe, he learned a bit about that principle between preseason game 1 and preseason game 2.
 
InGameStrategy said:
Although KF's "feel" is still lacking, I respectfully disagree otherwise.

While the highly visible rationales for Sloan not to play Fes included KF's off-court antics and his offense (especially relative to a moneyball rainmaker from Turkey), Fesenko was still a factor off the bench multiple times, including a respectable performance in the playoffs vs. the Fakers. And of course if Fes had had a Millsapian (a.k.a. paperboyesque) work ethic, then he'd probably be working on the second or third year of a substantial multi-year contract by now. But to say that "we" gave him plenty of opportunities understates the importance of any player--especially a big--to get a minimum quantity of minutes on a regular basis in order to develop. Fes--whether he "deserved" so little time or not--logged a mere 1089 regular-season minutes over four years; that's less than Ostertag (also a player who had been accused of poor work ethic, weak offense, bad free-throw shooting, and even making Sloan go "sideways") logged in two years.
https://www.nba.com/playerfile/greg_ostertag/

Given that the 1995 Jazz didn't have a tempting alternative at the 5 spot (not one that I can recall) like the 2007 Jazz did (Slowkur), Sloan had little choice but to play Ostertag (also in part because he was a first-rounder, which coaches tend to give more of a chance than minimum-level second-rounders, unless the latter is a Paperboy-like producer). But the reality remains: few players, if any--from superstars to scrubs--are unlikely to develop if they don't get minimal minutes for a reasonable period of time.

My definition of "minimal" is at least 8 to 10 MPG; my definition of "reasonable period" is at least a year or two on a regular basis. Fesenko got neither (a thousand minutes over approximately a theoretical 70 available games per year is <4 MPG), even in the occasions when he contributed, and unfortunately he didn't transform such contradictory incentives into more motivation. A few bouts with injuries and illness didn't help.

Kanter is probably better now, and he probably has a higher and more visible ceiling (as does Favors, of course), so unless the Jazz really want a 5th big to replace Okur, any discussion of Fes back to the Jazz is moot, and it's not like Corbin gave him any more opportunity than Sloan did; Favors was already favored for development time. But part of me wants him to have another chance at the NBA just to show Sloan (and Fes bashers) what development time can do. Same goes for Koufos, who has also barely sniffed a total of thousand regular-season minutes over three years (and is doing decently in preseason play on a depleted Denver team).
https://www.nba.com/playerfile/kosta_koufos/career_stats.html

I'm optimistic that Corbin will figure out--by choice or by chance--the importance of court time for youngins; the financial tradeaway of Okur facilitates that process. Maybe, just maybe, he learned a bit about that principle between preseason game 1 and preseason game 2.
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Sigh....

Does this mean you'll be taking your message board talents to South Beach?

If so I'll drive Fes to Miami myself.
 
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