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Should the Jazz go for an upgrade at PG?

PKM said:
Yep. It's not one magic position. To say you win with an elite PG is just as ridiculous as it to say you don't need one .. not enough info .. it's about the entire roster, no?
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Agree. I'd even say if you put Stockton on those 80's Lakers teams instead of Magic, they win championships. I guess the argument against pg's is that they can't be the number 1 option on a championship team. But I think Dwill with the team we have now would change a lot of people's minds.
 
Should the Jazz go for an upgrade at point guard? No. They should not try to upgrade any of their positions. Why try to get better?
 
I would keep all our assets and go for the upgrade through the draft.

I would love to see Harris's minutes cut back though. I just don't see him as even an average play maker.
 
Name thee superstar point guards who have won championships in the last ten years. I can't. Not only is Stockton not on the team anymore, neither is Sloan. This is a new team, and with Burks, Hayward, and CJ we have a chance to have a distributing point forward, or creating 2 guard. This is what has won championships in the last decade. Kobe, Dwane, Manu, (DeShawn? just kidding, way to go Kidd)

Having Harris makes me nervous, but I am willing to look forward. He's a good 'basketball player' not really a distributor, but some of our non point wing are promising passers. BTW, I do like the idea of using the golden state pick on a point guard. Our current point guards are definitely not the rebuilding side of the team.
 
I was hopefull that we would get to see if Burks could play the PG spot, at least a little. But with Harris, Watson and Tinsley it seems that the team did not feel that was his spot.
 
I think our PG position is upgraded by not having Ronnie Price on the team. Watching Tinsley in the last game, it's like night and day compared to Ronnie Price.
 
PKM said:
Just speaking to Kendall, consider this (and I am an NCAA guy) ..

Kendall has neither of a) a quick first step (pretty slow, actually), and b) an outside shot.

Kendall is an elite passer, but how will he do in the NBA if he can't get around an NBA defender if he gets crowded .. if the defender sags, he can't hit the shot .. defense if the same story. I like Kendall, but an unathletic, non-shooter is a bit worrisome, but that's just me.
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Andre Miller isn't a shooter or that athletic, also Mark Jackson comes to mind. Jackson is the #2 assist man in the game, he wasn't athletic or a shooter ether. To me he is a pure pg in every aspect. We don't need a star pg like others have said, just one that gets everyone involved, and that's Kendall Marshall. I could care less if he can run or shoot. As long as he is good at making others around him better. Remember all of the draft experts underrated D-Will's athletic ability foot speed and shooting
 
Gameface said:
When the Jazz had the best point guard in the NBA people said point guards don't win championships. I believe them. The Jazz have got to be the team with the biggest night in and night out edge at point guard over the last 25 years, no championships.

I'm happy with Harris.
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Agreed.
I don't think there's really much of an upgrade to be had for the Jazz anyway.
Harris is pretty solid, and I think he can switch up his game to more of a pass first attitude.
Big men win championships, and everyone knows it.
The only reason the Jazz don't have two championships already is because they never had legit big men guarding the paint in those years.

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Hinrich. With a bow. Merry Xmas jazzfanz.

If the Hawks won't let us absorb his contract (they have a young, promising PG), then maybe we can swap Harris for him and pick up Mo Williams with the TPE. Just a thought... perhaps we could do better with the TPE than Mo...
 
I think the Jazz will find a decent player in the draft to play PG somewhere in the first round. We don't need a world-beater, just a hard-nosed defender, good athlete who can finish and hit an open look. Several players like Holliday, Lawson, Tony Parker, etc. have been taken in the middle of the first round where the Jazz should have a pick. Even Darius Morris, a 2nd-round pick, looks okay for the Lakers in pre-season--at least better than Fisher and Blake (which says little, I know).

With a draft as thin on PGs as this one, I'm sure that a few will emerge and enter the draft. Scott Machado could come out.

Also, what do you think of Shabazz Napier at UConn? -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL_CHnSKsdc
 
NAOS said:
Hinrich. With a bow. Merry Xmas jazzfanz.

If the Hawks won't let us absorb his contract (they have a young, promising PG), then maybe we can swap Harris for him and pick up Mo Williams with the TPE. Just a thought... perhaps we could do better with the TPE than Mo...
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I've always liked Hinrich since he entered the league, but for some reason he never ended up with the Jazz.
I still don't know if he's much of an upgrade passing wise anyway.
I don't believe all of the majority of the assists should come from the point on the Jazz.
I think everyone should be passing for assists, and that's why I was such a big advocate for AK.
At a much cheaper price than he was previously getting of course.
 
JFFR said:
I don't think you are gonna upgrade on Harris. Harris is solid. The two guys you listed above have nothing on Harris.
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This is solid? Last season 5.4 assist per game vs. 2.9 turnovers per game (only a positive of 2.5). Field goal shooting percentage .413. Sorry I do not consider this solid at all.
 
jazzrule said:
This is solid? Last season 5.4 assist per game vs. 2.9 turnovers per game (only a positive of 2.5). Field goal shooting percentage .413. Sorry I do not consider this solid at all.
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We we're sorry you don't consider that solid. Going from a team like New Jersey, to a team like the Jazz last year.... and you consider that he was supposed to be better?
New Jersey had absolutely no talent, and the Jazz's offense last year consisted of Big Al in the post and Millsap in iso plays.

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TheSilencer1313 said:
We we're sorry you don't consider that solid. Going from a team like New Jersey, to a team like the Jazz last year.... and you consider that he was supposed to be better?
New Jersey had absolutely no talent, and the Jazz's offense last year consisted of Big Al in the post and Millsap in iso plays.

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Yeah he has been tearing it up for the Jazz both last season and so far this season. Look for him to be traded if the right deal comes along. He is a think first shooting point guard not a help his teammates type of guard. Heck most people consider him a combo guard and not a pure point guard at all. A difference of opinion is what makes horse racing, and your welcome to yours.
 
jazzrule said:
Yeah he has been tearing it up for the Jazz both last season and so far this season. Look for him to be traded if the right deal comes along. He is a think first shooting point guard not a help his teammates type of guard. Heck most people consider him a combo guard and not a pure point guard at all. A difference of opinion is what makes horse racing, and your welcome to yours.
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This lol.
I never said he had ever been tearing it up.
But I mean seriously, what else around the league are you looking at?
Any ideas that the Jazz could actually afford??
Unless your thinking they might hold their salary under the cap for this season, and try to get Deron Williams back next year.
Consider D-Will and D-Harris on the same team, would be sweet.
At least Devin wouldn't hang his head like a depressed emo girl after every loss.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
This lol.
I never said he had ever been tearing it up.
But I mean seriously, what else around the league are you looking at?
Any ideas that the Jazz could actually afford??
Unless your thinking they might hold their salary under the cap for this season, and try to get Deron Williams back next year.
Consider D-Will and D-Harris on the same team, would be sweet.
At least Devin wouldn't hang his head like a depressed emo girl after every loss.
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We are in a position to go after another point guard. Look at what other posters are saying about Harris:

JohnnyClutch
1. Harris is good how? Great outside shooter?
Nope, that's not it.

Great court vision, really facilitates his teammates for open shots?
Hmm, not really.

Plays awesome D? Shuts his man down!
Well, can't say as I've really seen that out of him.

Maybe it's his incredible will to compete and win, ala Ronnie Price.
Wait, no, not so much.

He's fast. Yeah, that's it. But wait, aren't a lot of guys out there fast? And don't you need more out of your STARTING POINT GUARD than fast?

Harris sucks. All I hear from those describing him was that he used to be an Allstar. Big friggin whoop. I'd rather have Hayward at the point so we could at least have 5 good basketball players on the court at the same time.

The Thriller
1. Harris? He has looked like crap....

Zulu
1. Harris. I really thought he was better than this. The sucky thing is if he continues to play this bad he is no good on the market. I think we all need to be harris fans and hope he gets it together so by the trade deadline we can get something good for him.

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jazzrule said:
We are in a position to go after another point guard. Look at what other posters are saying about Harris:

JohnnyClutch
1. Harris is good how? Great outside shooter?
Nope, that's not it.

Great court vision, really facilitates his teammates for open shots?
Hmm, not really.

Plays awesome D? Shuts his man down!
Well, can't say as I've really seen that out of him.

Maybe it's his incredible will to compete and win, ala Ronnie Price.
Wait, no, not so much.

He's fast. Yeah, that's it. But wait, aren't a lot of guys out there fast? And don't you need more out of your STARTING POINT GUARD than fast?

Harris sucks. All I hear from those describing him was that he used to be an Allstar. Big friggin whoop. I'd rather have Hayward at the point so we could at least have 5 good basketball players on the court at the same time.

The Thriller
1. Harris? He has looked like crap....

Zulu
1. Harris. I really thought he was better than this. The sucky thing is if he continues to play this bad he is no good on the market. I think we all need to be harris fans and hope he gets it together so by the trade deadline we can get something good for him.

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Yes I have seen the posters comments about this.
We all know there's nobody else, so deal with it.
Worse comes to worse, and you'll have either Watson or Tinsley who are decent in their own rights.
I wouldn't mind Hayward running the point at times, but there's no way he could be a consistant full time point guard. He would have way too many turnovers.

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Patience, my young grasshoppers! I agree with Sportsnutz, continue to build through the draft and play the young guys. In a couple of years the Jazz will be up battling for championships. I would think Rondo would be a disaster on a young team. The kid has skills but he has a HUGE ego and has been at adds with his teammates (vets). Why do you think Boston would even consider getting rid of him?
 
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