Chargers Jazz Angels
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To be honest a contract around 1 mil would be worth it for a3rd big man
Surprised Fess hasn't been picked up
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cctrackstar
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I don't get into the numbers as much as some. When I say opportunities, I really mean we had the guy for several years and he never developed a consistent enough game to deserve time on the floor. He has a great NBA body and good speed. Thus it must have been something else. I could see a player who is undersized or injury prone not getting time because of matchups or injury concerns, but with Fes, there must have been something else, otherwise he would have been a higher priority than getting Howard and Watson. (Can't teach height)
InGameStrategy
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No reason for me to leave when your witty but vapid response leaves my arguments uncountered.
(You got one of those amphibious cars? It's a long drive across the pond from the former Soviet Union to the Sunshine State.)
jazzrule
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Some teams interested
A Warriors source said the team is "examining" the idea of signing free-agent center Kyrylo Fesenko. The 7-foot-1, 280-pounder has averaged 2.3 points and two rebounds in 8 1/2 minutes a game in four seasons with Utah. ESPN reported that Miami is also interested in the 24-year-old from Ukraine. San Francisco Chronicle
Read more: https://www.insidehoops.com/nba_rumors.shtml#ixzz1hQP5wvSu
Read more: https://www.insidehoops.com/nba_rumors.shtml#ixzz1hQP5wvSu
InGameStrategy
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It was something else; Sloan's tired old bias in favor of veterans, even when they are poor defenders (seemingly in contrast to his own philosophy), and hypocritically expecting youngins to produce before they get minutes even though he didn't expect the same (at least defensively) for the regulars. And despite the fact that Fes changed the tone of the game time after time (not every time, but more than rarely), Sloan refused or ignored the hallowed strategy and common-sense principle of giving youngins more than insignificant minutes on a regular basis. (Such a principle applies not just basketball but to pretty much everything else in life: repetition and frequency. And practice just isn't the same as the real thing; Korver, CJ, and others proved that.)
Okur is Exhibit A for this; while his "money shot" was entertaining and a real boost a few times per game, his defense (especially help defense--a prelude to Al Jefferson) was underwhelming, except in rare cases such as against Yao Ming (very tall, but also slow), when okur mostly couldn't manage to play offense and defense in the same game. This is why his departure is a huge boon for this team; he was overrated most of the time anyway--for the same reason that Koufos and Fes (and others before him) were underplayed: Sloan's illogical bias for vets, perhaps stemming from Stockton and Malone not needing much coaching and being self motivated (but the key difference being that S&M produced on both ends of the floor, not like B&O (B = Boozer)).
With the gaping need for a legit center that would have been obvious to most any coach--Hall-of-Famer or not--it should have been obvious to Sloan that giving a young big more than an average of <5 MPG was worth the investment.
billyshelby
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Fes will get signed. Low Risk/Medium Reward. The misperception is that he's a stiff. He isn't. But I think everyone questions whether he he really cares. That said, if he gets his head right he'll be a very useful player.
Fes is one of the worst big men i have ever seen in nba. If he didn't have that big body, even in streets they wouldn't let him touch the basketball
or.....
The 11.9 difference between Fess on the floor and Fess off the floor also reflects the defensive ineptitude of the person who plays the 5 when Fess is on the bench. If he were substituting for a half-way competent 5 defender: Nene, Noah, Bynam, Lopez, Bogut, this would drop from 11.9 to nearly zero pretty fast.
The 11.9 difference between Fess on the floor and Fess off the floor also reflects the defensive ineptitude of the person who plays the 5 when Fess is on the bench. If he were substituting for a half-way competent 5 defender: Nene, Noah, Bynam, Lopez, Bogut, this would drop from 11.9 to nearly zero pretty fast.
InGameStrategy
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It appears that your argument depends on the assumption that somehow--by choice or by accident--Fesenko played against opposing backups that were substantially worse than other backups did across the NBA. If so, your argument is rather weak.
The list that you provided would be valid for a starting center, not a 2nd- or 3rd-string backup like Fesenko is probably slated to be.
InGameStrategy
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Right, sepanol; one of the worst in the NBA.
That's why his on-court/off-court +/- was near the top of the team in multiple years with Utah. (But I guess that you think that that is all mere coincidence.)
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JAZZGASM
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mavs made him an offer
silesian, you just said that Fes' defense is as good as that of some guys who are borderline allstars at the 5. Ha, way to stick it to him!
Fess blows.
The world champs don't think so
Out a lot of Ciggeret Smoke that is.
Hantlers
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I don't think either of them will when a championship.
14th men on the roster always have a better shot at winning a title than the 5th-10th best player in the NBA. They can easily float to a contender looking to cheaply fill the back end of their roster.