The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[gandalfe]

I thought this was interesting; after 1 year of State Covid policies and lockdowns most people who moved, moved to more conservative leaning states.

I understand why people left Louisiana, not a great state to live. California and Illinois lost almost 1% of their population. New York lost 3.5%. Virginia surprised me that it was a net negative. The top ten didn’t surprise me other than Alabama (other than Mobile, I thought the state was nice). I haven’t lived in Utah for 9 years, but I though they would have been in the top 10.

Was is Covid or political policy, remote work, or retirement? Mixture of both?
We have noticed it here in Florida (1.5% gain). Can’t build schools fast enough (over populated), home prices and rent are still up compared to many states. Still building a lot of new developments around Tampa.

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Remote work has made it possible for people to live anywhere (depending on job and policy). Some people want to move where it's cheaper, or just a smaller town.

I moved to Corvallis, OR about 11 years ago. We wanted to be closer to the coast, but there were no jobs there. We're planning on moving to either Newport or Coos Bay this summer, because it doesn't matter where I live.

 

[The Thriller]

Remote work has made it possible for people to live anywhere (depending on job and policy). Some people want to move where it's cheaper, or just a smaller town.

Exactly. People moving from more expensive to less expensive states has been going on for at least my lifetime. Anyone else remember when there wasn’t anything between the Lehi Roller Mills and the prison? I remember as a kid going to a fun water park just above the prison and below widow maker road in Draper. One of my favorite rides used to be driving on what’s now Timp highway from I-15 Timp cave. There wasn’t anything out there and you could see the entire valley. Then Micron built their building. And then things exploded. Anyone else remember that narrow road? Utah in the 80s and early 90s was still a really rural place. Like there were still spaces in-between most towns so it actually mean something if you lived in Riverton, Sandy, etc. Now it’s just all endless sprawl.

When we lived in Sandy, our landlord talked about how he bought his house in the 80s for under $100k. It’s now worth well over $800k due to all the people moving in and building in Sandy/Draper. Around Dimple Dell it still retains its rural roots. There are still some properties with horses and large lots from when there wasn’t a run on housing.

I’m guessing once Lehi and Saratoga are built out, the overspill will continue into Payson and Nephi. Those are some nice communities that are fairly cheap right now. Give it another 10-15 years and they’ll probably be the next Saratoga/Lehi.

Once Utah is built out, where to next? Wyoming? Will we see a re-calibration of the population moving back to states that had previously seen losses?

 

[Bucknutz]

Just looking at it again, in the top 10, all the states but Idaho are in the south. Maybe people are tired of the cold long winters and want more sunshine.
My whole business is 100% remote and it’s been that way for 5 years, so nothing changed for us during the last 2 years. I personally love remote work if you can make it work.
In Utah is most of the remote work turning into more Hybrid work(1-2 days in the office)? Traffic getting back to pre-Covid days? It seems like this is the way it’s going here.

 

[gandalfe]

Just looking at it again, in the top 10, all the states but Idaho are in the south. Maybe people are tired of the cold long winters and want more sunshine.

Seems really shortsighted, given the whole climate change thing.

 

[The Thriller]

Just looking at it again, in the top 10, all the states but Idaho are in the south. Maybe people are tired of the cold long winters and want more sunshine.
My whole business is 100% remote and it’s been that way for 5 years, so nothing changed for us during the last 2 years. I personally love remote work if you can make it work.
In Utah is most of the remote work turning into more Hybrid work(1-2 days in the office)? Traffic getting back to pre-Covid days? It seems like this is the way it’s going here.

There’s a lot to this. My wife does hybrid work. They do it for several reasons:

1. Since it’s hybrid, they require less office space which means they pay less for commercial office space since they’ll never have 100 percent of their employees come in.

2. At least half the employees have kids. So it’s almost like an unpaid benefit to do hybrid work since one can work from home without having to pay for daycare.

3. Environmentally, it’s a huge plus. Less gas and time spent on I-15 gridlock.

True, not every job is as flexible. Some jobs just don’t work well for remote/hybrid work. Like education, where children learn best in person and making connections socially. Also, it’s not always amazing to try and work with kids at home. So some people at my wife’s work actually leave for work to get a break from kids. LOL

 

[gandalfe]

Exactly. People moving from more expensive to less expensive states has been going on for at least my lifetime. Anyone else remember when there wasn’t anything between the Lehi Roller Mills and the prison? I remember as a kid going to a fun water park just above the prison and below widow maker road in Draper. One of my favorite rides used to be driving on what’s now Timp highway from I-15 Timp cave. There wasn’t anything out there and you could see the entire valley. Then Micron built their building. And then things exploded. Anyone else remember that narrow road? Utah in the 80s and early 90s was still a really rural place. Like there were still spaces in-between most towns so it actually mean something if you lived in Riverton, Sandy, etc. Now it’s just all endless sprawl.

When we lived in Sandy, our landlord talked about how he bought his house in the 80s for under $100k. It’s now worth well over $800k due to all the people moving in and building in Sandy/Draper. Around Dimple Dell it still retains its rural roots. There are still some properties with horses and large lots from when there wasn’t a run on housing.

I’m guessing once Lehi and Saratoga are built out, the overspill will continue into Payson and Nephi. Those are some nice communities that are fairly cheap right now. Give it another 10-15 years and they’ll probably be the next Saratoga/Lehi.

Once Utah is built out, where to next? Wyoming? Will we see a re-calibration of the population moving back to states that had previously seen losses?

My father worked at the prison when I was a boy, early/mid 70s, his office was in a trailer inside the outer walls but not where general population could access unless they were brought out by the guards. Which is a preface to telling you that we were taken out there many weekends when he had paperwork to do. And, yeah, there was nothing from like 45th S, maybe even 33rd. Just empty.

 

[LogGrad98]

Just looking at it again, in the top 10, all the states but Idaho are in the south. Maybe people are tired of the cold long winters and want more sunshine.
My whole business is 100% remote and it’s been that way for 5 years, so nothing changed for us during the last 2 years. I personally love remote work if you can make it work.
In Utah is most of the remote work turning into more Hybrid work(1-2 days in the office)? Traffic getting back to pre-Covid days? It seems like this is the way it’s going here.

Yep. Running a porn website is absolutely the best.

 

[jazzVA]

My father worked at the prison when I was a boy, early/mid 70s, his office was in a trailer inside the outer walls but not where general population could access unless they were brought out by the guards. Which is a preface to telling you that we were taken out there many weekends when he had paperwork to do. And, yeah, there was nothing from like 45th S, maybe even 33rd. Just empty.

 

[Red]

Good post. I’d just like to add that he feeds into the mentality of GOP voters that even the worst Republican is still better than ANY Democrat. How can anyone of any character still support Santos? I guess all that matters is power. McCarthy needs him to become speaker and he needs McCarthy to not make this a big deal. And Repub voters want to win, no matter the costs. Even if it means electing another narcissist who’ll say anything to get elected.

After all, they excused Trump for far worse. Right?

Good read:

The Terrifying Future of the American Right

What I saw at the National Conservatism Conference

www.theatlantic.com

The idea that the left controls absolutely everything—from your smartphone to the money supply to your third grader’s curriculum—explains the apocalyptic tone that was the dominating emotional register of this conference. The politicians’ speeches were like entries in the catastrophism Olympics:

“The left’s ambition is to create a world beyond belonging,” said Hawley. “Their grand ambition is to deconstruct the United States of America.”

“The left’s attack is on America. The left hates America,” said Cruz. “It is the left that is trying to use culture as a tool to destroy America.”

“We are confronted now by a systematic effort to dismantle our society, our traditions, our economy, and our way of life,” said Rubio.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

An intro to Mastodon from a relative newcomer!

“So your favorite social media site has been taken over by a bumbling fascist-friendly narcissist.” Mine, too. With Twitter under new management that leaves me very pessimistic about it…

skullsinthestars.com

I'm not on Twitter or Mastodon, but I thought this link might come in handy for those who are thinking of switching.

Mastodon: A Social Media Platform For Pedophiles

Mastodon is a social media platform dominated by pedophiles and most of its content is child porn.

www.secjuice.com

 

[fishonjazz]

Secjuice lol


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[Bucknutz]

I agree with Warren…


View: https://twitter.com/senwarren/status/1609912525230903298?s=46&t=SXf9FbC4K_Ylio1zAYfmPQ


Interesting:

View: https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1610284037758922757?s=46&t=SXf9FbC4K_Ylio1zAYfmPQ

 

[One Brow]

Secjuice lol

I don't recall ever seeing that site before, but have read parts of a couple of articles, it's a perfect fit for the person who linked there.

 

[Red]

Speaking of Mastodon, I noticed in recent months that many professional archaeologists were discussing migrating over to Mastodon, doing so, and encouraging others to join them. I see where that is the case in many disciplines:

GitHub - nathanlesage/academics-on-mastodon: A list of various lists consisting of academics on Mastodon

A list of various lists consisting of academics on Mastodon - nathanlesage/academics-on-mastodon

github.com

The Complete Guide to Mastodon and Twitter for Academics - The Struggling Scientists 2025

In this article, we will explore the differences between Mastodon and Twitter, as well as the benefits of using Mastodon for academics.

thestrugglingscientists.com

Some pros and cons:

Should I join Mastodon? A scientists’ guide to Twitter’s rival

The open-source platform has added nearly half a million users in little more than a week — but should scientists make the leap? We examine the pros and cons.

www.nature.com

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Speaking of Mastodon, I noticed in recent months that many professional archaeologists were discussing migrating over to Mastodon, doing so, and encouraging others to join them. I see where that is the case in many disciplines:

GitHub - nathanlesage/academics-on-mastodon: A list of various lists consisting of academics on Mastodon

A list of various lists consisting of academics on Mastodon - nathanlesage/academics-on-mastodon

github.com

The Complete Guide to Mastodon and Twitter for Academics - The Struggling Scientists 2025

In this article, we will explore the differences between Mastodon and Twitter, as well as the benefits of using Mastodon for academics.

thestrugglingscientists.com

Some pros and cons:

Should I join Mastodon? A scientists’ guide to Twitter’s rival

The open-source platform has added nearly half a million users in little more than a week — but should scientists make the leap? We examine the pros and cons.

www.nature.com

It is not really a surprise that many scientists would look favorably toward Mastodon. The values of those who have no regard for the consent of the prey in their sexual pursuits seem to align quite well with the values demonstrated by Mastodon.

Sexual harassment is rife in the sciences, finds landmark US study

Existing policies to address the issue are ineffective, concludes a long-awaited report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

www.nature.com

How Women Are Harassed Out of Science

The discrimination young researchers endure makes America’s need for STEM workers even greater.

www.theatlantic.com

Confronting Sexual Harassment in Science

It's not just movie moguls and politicians; the problem is rampant in STEM fields as well. But recent moves by major organizations could mark a sea change in addressing this entrenched, degrading behavior.

www.scientificamerican.com

Meanwhile, Twitter is taking strides in the opposite direction.

A New Sheriff in Town: Musk Targets Child Sex Exploitation on Twitter as 'Priority #1'

For newly minted Twitter CEO and owner Elon Musk, overhauling the controversy-plagued social media site is serious busin

www1.cbn.com

Dissolving the so-called safety team at Twitter headed by pedophile Yoel Roth, who advocated for opening gay hook-up apps to minors, is proof that Musk is serious. That some scientists are now strongly considering a move to the more pedophile-friendly Mastodon isn't shocking.

 

[Red]

It is not really a surprise that many scientists would look favorably toward Mastodon. The values of those who have no regard for the consent of the prey in their sexual pursuits seem to align quite well with the values demonstrated by Mastodon.

Sexual harassment is rife in the sciences, finds landmark US study

Existing policies to address the issue are ineffective, concludes a long-awaited report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

www.nature.com

How Women Are Harassed Out of Science

The discrimination young researchers endure makes America’s need for STEM workers even greater.

www.theatlantic.com

Confronting Sexual Harassment in Science

It's not just movie moguls and politicians; the problem is rampant in STEM fields as well. But recent moves by major organizations could mark a sea change in addressing this entrenched, degrading behavior.

www.scientificamerican.com

Meanwhile, Twitter is taking strides in the opposite direction.

A New Sheriff in Town: Musk Targets Child Sex Exploitation on Twitter as 'Priority #1'

For newly minted Twitter CEO and owner Elon Musk, overhauling the controversy-plagued social media site is serious busin

www1.cbn.com

Dissolving the so-called safety team at Twitter headed by pedophile Yoel Roth, who advocated for opening gay hook-up apps to minors, is proof that Musk is serious. That some scientists are now strongly considering a move to the more pedophile-friendly Mastodon isn't shocking.

Probably your dumbest post to date. World class stupidity….

 

[fishonjazz]

It is not really a surprise that many scientists would look favorably toward Mastodon. The values of those who have no regard for the consent of the prey in their sexual pursuits seem to align quite well with the values demonstrated by Mastodon.

Sexual harassment is rife in the sciences, finds landmark US study

Existing policies to address the issue are ineffective, concludes a long-awaited report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine.

www.nature.com

How Women Are Harassed Out of Science

The discrimination young researchers endure makes America’s need for STEM workers even greater.

www.theatlantic.com

Confronting Sexual Harassment in Science

It's not just movie moguls and politicians; the problem is rampant in STEM fields as well. But recent moves by major organizations could mark a sea change in addressing this entrenched, degrading behavior.

www.scientificamerican.com

Meanwhile, Twitter is taking strides in the opposite direction.

A New Sheriff in Town: Musk Targets Child Sex Exploitation on Twitter as 'Priority #1'

For newly minted Twitter CEO and owner Elon Musk, overhauling the controversy-plagued social media site is serious busin

www1.cbn.com

Dissolving the so-called safety team at Twitter headed by pedophile Yoel Roth, who advocated for opening gay hook-up apps to minors, is proof that Musk is serious. That some scientists are now strongly considering a move to the more pedophile-friendly Mastodon isn't shocking.

You trumpers see pedophiles everywhere. You trumpers also project a lot.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You trumpers see pedophiles everywhere. You trumpers also project a lot.

Scientific American, the Atlantic, and Nature aren't pro-Trump publications but you are free to do your own searches. No one believes the sciences don't have a problem in that direction. Right, left, center, this year, last year, last decade, you'll find source after source reiterating that issue. If you care to look you'll also see that educators, a profession to which most of these scientists belong, have a molestation problem. Far more kids are molested by educators each year than by priests, and it isn't close.

The biggest difference between Mastodon and Twitter is that Mastodon is decentralized with no single entity having control over all the hosting servers. The fundamental architecture of Mastodon makes it impossible to remove child pornography which is why it flourishes there. By contrast, Twitter has control over the hosting servers and has the ability to police content. Twitter did have a child pornography problem and it wasn't because they lacked the technical ability to adequately police it but rather the team at Twitter responsible for implementing a solution made decisions that failed to curtail that traffic adequately. Maybe it was incompetence and maybe it was motivated. You'd have to ask Yoel Roth. Thankfully Elon Musk fired Yoel and that entire team.

Personally I don't see why wanting to protect kids is a political issue. I don't see why objecting to the sexual exploitation of children is all that is required to label me a Trumper but these are strange times I guess.

 

[One Brow]

Scientific American, the Atlantic, and Nature aren't pro-Trump publications but you are free to do your own searches.

The stupid part was the conflation of the sexual harassment of women (a real problem) with pedophilia (not a problem in the sciences). Only a self-blinded, unthinking, stupid-by-choice person would think the issues are related.

The fundamental architecture of Mastodon makes it impossible to remove child pornography which is why it flourishes there.

However, not in the spaces the scientists are leaving Twitter for. The fundamental architecture of Mastodon means that you'll won't see child porn unless you go looking for it.

Personally I don't see why wanting to protect kids is a political issue.

Supporting a political agenda with false claims that it protects children is older than anyone here in this forum. You're not fooling anyone, except maybe yourself.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Only a self-blinded, unthinking, stupid-by-choice person would think the issues are related.

The issues are identical. They are both sexual pursuits with a disregard for getting consent. The only difference is that in one case the object of sexual desire cannot consent and in the other the object of sexual desire does not consent. The problem in both instances is not with the victims. Drawing distinctions there doesn't change the problem being the exact same of a perpetrator acting on their lusts without consent.

I'm not clear on why you are trying to divide them but I do see your efforts at dismissing these types of behavior though misdirection at irrelevant details is receiving up votes from those who you'd think would want to whistle past the graveyard on this discussion.