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The main reason we should not do that trade with Minnesota or any trade at all is because of the salary cap next year.

If Russell leaves they will not have more than the MLE to replace him. If we trade them Conley they have him for next year as well and it gives them a valuable expiring contract if they wanted to move him next year.

Essentially we do not want to get them avenues to get better especially with the salary cap crunch they are going to be in.
 
Elizah Huge said:
The main reason we should not do that trade with Minnesota or any trade at all is because of the salary cap next year.

If Russell leaves they will not have more than the MLE to replace him. If we trade them Conley they have him for next year as well and it gives them a valuable expiring contract if they wanted to move him next year.

Essentially we do not want to get them avenues to get better especially with the salary cap crunch they are going to be in.
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I will disagree there. I don't think we should help them, but main reason is Mike would help them... even though his numbers aren't big he will take a backseat and help everyone be the best versions of themselves... Dlo is not that. Minny needs that.

I doubt they would parlay Mike's deal into anything significant as they have no picks to attach to it. They also likely don't want additional salary in the future as their situation is rough. They could also pay Naz and Nowell and get the same cap effect if they keep the contracts to bigger one year/two year deals.

Hopefully they keep sucking... I don't think we have a path to meaningful cap space so we can do a sign and trade with Mike should an opportunity arise. Or just wait one year to have space.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I will disagree there. I don't think we should help them, but main reason is Mike would help them... even though his numbers aren't big he will take a backseat and help everyone be the best versions of themselves... Dlo is not that. Minny needs that.

I doubt they would parlay Mike's deal into anything significant as they have no picks to attach to it. They also likely don't want additional salary in the future as their situation is rough. They could also pay Naz and Nowell and get the same cap effect if they keep the contracts to bigger one year/two year deals.

Hopefully they keep sucking... I don't think we have a path to meaningful cap space so we can do a sign and trade with Mike should an opportunity arise. Or just wait one year to have space.
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I disagree. Mike makes them better this year and on top of it you don’t think they could get anything decent for Mike’s huge expiring next year? Even a couple role players is better than nothing and we shouldn’t give them any avenue at improving.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I disagree. Mike makes them better this year and on top of it you don’t think they could get anything decent for Mike’s huge expiring next year? Even a couple role players is better than nothing and we shouldn’t give them any avenue at improving.
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No I don't cuz they'd be getting a guy or guys that have long term contracts beyond Mike's one year deal. Likely not good deals either because they don't have picks to sweeten the deal. They have 91M committed to Rudy and KAT for 2025... add in Ant's max extension and you are at like 130M+ already... add in McDaniels extension and they are at like 150M+
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
No I don't cuz they'd be getting a guy or guys that have long term contracts beyond Mike's one year deal. Likely not good deals either because they don't have picks to sweeten the deal. They have 91M committed to Rudy and KAT for 2025... add in Ant's max extension and you are at like 130M+ already... add in McDaniels extension and they are at like 150M+
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They can include pick swaps in 28/30 and even include McDaniels if they wanted to. Point being why even give them the opportunity to do something like that? Conley’s expiring is huge and helps them make salary match on top of everything else.
 
Elizah Huge said:
They can include pick swaps in 28/30 and even include McDaniels if they wanted to. Point being why even give them the opportunity to do something like that?
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I get what you are saying... I just don't think they need Mike to do that type of thing. They have Andersen, Prince expiring deals and could sign Naz/Nowell to mid type deals to get the salary they need. I just don't see them trying to add a bunch of salary in the 2025 and beyond years.

I think the biggest factor by a wide margin is making them better this year. Them losing Dlo for nothing is secondary to that.

The overall point being... don't help Minny do stuff right now. So we agree.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I get what you are saying... I just don't think they need Mike to do that type of thing. They have Andersen, Prince expiring deals and could sign Naz/Nowell to mid type deals to get the salary they need. I just don't see them trying to add a bunch of salary in the 2025 and beyond years.

I think the biggest factor by a wide margin is making them better this year. Them losing Dlo for nothing is secondary to that.

The overall point being... don't help Minny do stuff right now. So we agree.
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You’re right. My point should have been an additional factor because we have their unprotected first this year we shouldn’t help them at all this year which is the main factor for sure.
 
While I would want some cap space... I think we can do everything we want in FA next year with the MLE. If we are looking to do something bigger we can involve the expiring salary we have.
 
Jingled said:
Anyone listened to this yet? I haven't had a chance but I'm curious what they say about the Jazz.


View: https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1611411810392883214
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Proposed Beasley to Memphis for a protected pick, Danny Green, and Xavier Tillman. I'm cool with that.

Could do the worse of the GS and Memphis pick next year as Memphis owns both. That way you know it will convey and it is pseudo protected.

Mentioned Vando to Brooklyn maybe... Said KO's name... not much else I remember.
 
If we don't trade Conley+Gay for Dlo, I think MIA will trade Lowry for him.

If we are are trading Beasley/Vando, I'd rather target a second draft type of guy like Collins over late first round picks.
 
Jingled said:
Anyone listened to this yet? I haven't had a chance but I'm curious what they say about the Jazz.


View: https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1611411810392883214
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- We have the 3rd best offense and the 27th worst defense.

- We are 10-18 in our last 28 games.

- Zach Lowe thinks it is time for us to pivot to seller mode.

- We are only a few games out of 6th or 7th in the lottery.

- Lowe says Vanderbilt is a valuable trade piece due to production and contract.

- Lowe says Beasley is the most underrated trade candidate in the league.

- Lowe’s two potential Beasley teams is Memphis and New Orleans.

- Bobby Marks throws out Beasley for Danny Green and a protected first (Lowe loves it). Lowe said maybe Memphis could add Xavier Tillman to the deal.

- Lowe loves Beasley as a 6th/7th guy off of the bench.

- Marks proposes Vanderbilt to Brooklyn for Day’Ron Sharpe, Kessler Edwards and Philadelphia’s 2027 Top-7 protected 1st. Marks said he would make it lottery protected by adding 8-14 to the protection and Lowe likes it.

- Lowe mentions Golden State as a potential Olynyk landing spot but Marks thinks Charlotte is a better trade partner for them (specifically a Wiseman deal).
 
Zach Lowe hated this team before the season. Absolutely hated it. He's looked like a damn fool ever since, so I'm gonna go ahead and roll my eyes at most of his takes.

Elizah Huge said:
- Zach Lowe thinks it is time for us to pivot to seller mode.
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Yeah. He desperately wants us to bottom out so his crap preseson take will prove to be the right one in the end.

Elizah Huge said:
- Lowe says Vanderbilt is a valuable trade piece due to production and contract.
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LOL. Has he watched a single game?? Terrible.


Elizah Huge said:
- Lowe says Beasley is the most underrated trade candidate in the league.
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This I can more or less get behind and have been saying it myself. Shooters like Beasley will always have a job. Do we want to trade him though?
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Zach Lowe hated this team before the season. Absolutely hated it. He's looked like a damn fool ever since, so I'm gonna go ahead and roll my eyes at most of his takes.


Yeah. He desperately wants us to bottom out so his crap preseson take will prove to be the right one in the end.


LOL. Has he watched a single game?? Terrible.



This I can more or less get behind and have been saying it myself. Shooters like Beasley will always have a job. Do we want to trade him though?
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He definitely watches. He doesn’t really care about his preseason take. Most people thought we’d be horrible. I mean Vegas was giving away free money with the over/under they gave us.
 
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