Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Conley debate is exposing people

If this was a casino floor and probabilities were more like certainties I’d get it… but these guys are not dice and cards. The playmaking void Mike would leave is enormous… we don’t have enough good passers and Mike stepped completely into that void and filled it. Lauri and others will struggle at time to get theirs with JC and Sexton leading things. Mike is just so steady and such a calming influence both on and off the court.

 

[infection]

To try to put a lighter bow on things: The first two league executives I spoke to last week after Kessler’s display, one from the Eastern Conference and the other from the West, basically had the same reaction. They said that, in their respective organizations, there’s a half-joking (but also half-serious) policy when it comes to Jazz CEO Danny Ainge that goes something like this: If Ainge is calling about a trade … let it go to voicemail.

Maybe this eastern conference executive is from the Knicks and this quote doesn’t mean what we think it means.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If this was a casino floor and probabilities were more like certainties I’d get it… but these guys are not dice and cards. The playmaking void Mike would leave is enormous… we don’t have enough good passers and Mike stepped completely into that void and filled it. Lauri and others will struggle at time to get theirs with JC and Sexton leading things. Mike is just so steady and such a calming influence both on and off the court.

Mike is also a good defender. HE might not be a good man defender, but neither is Sexton. He adds a lot with his help defense and just being generally smart.

Sexton's play like 18 seconds of good defense to usually **** it up in the final 6 with a fatal mistake.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Sounds like Conley has a lot of interest around the league. A big change from when people thought we’d have to attach assets to trade him or take bad salary back.

 

[Elizah Huge]

That I was wrong on a rookie?

Guilty.

Yall are being dumb about Conley vs Sexton defensively cuz Sexton looks like he plays hard.

Looks like he plays hard? He does ****ing play hard. That’s who he is.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I’m going to trust the guy who said Kessler sucks, Sexton sucks, THT is good, we miss KO badly, Minnesota is winning the championship, etc. He definitely knows what he is talking about.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Looks like he plays hard? He does ****ing play hard. That’s who he is.

He’s a blunt force object on both sides of the court. There are times when it’s needed… then there are times when I’m like “okay you are doing great but don’t reach one more time or you’ll get whistled… ****.” He’s much better than I thought in that end. I think Collin is more effective in a 25 minute role right now where his playmaking responsibilities are limited… however his next step may be playing more like a starter over a bigger game sample.

I’m just not giving Mike away for cap space and the opportunity to develop guys… that’s all. I think it’s clear there would be some slippage however many games someone wants to calculate is whatevs…

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I’m going to trust the guy who said Kessler sucks, Sexton sucks, THT is good, we miss KO badly, Minnesota is winning the championship, etc. He definitely knows what he is talking about.

Clearly Im the first person to ever be wrong about anything.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Clearly Im the first person to ever be wrong about anything.

You aren’t. The problem is you want to be a contrarian and have confirmation bias. Why would anyone trust you to have a non-biased take on Sexton?

 

[HermanG]

One of the biggest argument about not giving Mike away has to do with who we draft. If we are gonna go for PG like Black... his presence would be invaluable.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Looks like he plays hard? He does ****ing play hard. That’s who he is.

He does play hard but does it in bursts… a few times a game I see him drift or have an opportunity to sprint back on D and instead he jogs.

I like him and a few times he’s definitely been helpful by being more physical than Mike. I think overall Mike is better on defense… both guys are obviously limited due to size. Collins good moments are generally louder than Mikes because he’s a blunt force object.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

One of the biggest argument about not giving Mike away has to do with who we draft. If we are gonna go for PG like Black... his presence would be invaluable.

I also think if we moved Conley for space and draft assets we might have someone like FVV on our radar.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You aren’t. The problem is you want to be a contrarian and have confirmation bias. Why would anyone trust you to have a non-biased take on Sexton?

Saying Conley is a better defender than Sexton, a guy who has a terrible defensive reputation, is now contrarian?

Yall are such losers lmao.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Saying Conley is a better defender than Sexton, a guy who has a terrible defensive reputation, is now contrarian?

Yall are such losers lmao.

You’re obviously not the only one who believes that. You’re not being a contrarian about this topic. My point was why should we trust you to be non-biased about Sexton? It’s hard to take anything you say about him with face value.

 

[Elizah Huge]

He does play hard but does it in bursts… a few times a game I see him drift or have an opportunity to sprint back on D and instead he jogs.

I like him and a few times he’s definitely been helpful by being more physical than Mike. I think overall Mike is better on defense… both guys are obviously limited due to size. Collins good moments are generally louder than Mikes because he’s a blunt force object.

Lol come on now… I’ve seen Conley jog back too.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I threw out an initial take on Sexton based on my eye test and it seems like it may be closer than I thought or leaning towards Conley a little. I will keep an eye on this going forward.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lol come on now… I’ve seen Conley jog back too.

For sure. He’s old.

 

[infection]

I also think if we moved Conley for space and draft assets we might have someone like FVV on our radar.

Isn’t he like 5’6”? That would be a good foot under what some people are wanting.

 

[Elizah Huge]

For sure. He’s old.

Overall your assessment is definitely fair. The funny thing is I’ve been one of if not the biggest Conley defenders on here the last few years.

 

[fishonjazz]

This year has been a best case scenario with Conley, imo. Just a few months ago it looked like we would have to attach assets to him in order to trade him, now we'll likely get a decent return for him. If we can get something for him now it's probably time to move on from him, I don't like the idea of paying him $24M next year at age 36.

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