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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Portland owes a pick to Chicago that is top 14 protected until 2028. Unless they work with Chicago to change the protections they won't be able to trade a pick without language that makes it really tough to guess when/if that pick would be conveyed.
 
The only thing I know that is a rock solid lock is that all of the people who post daily on how they hate Olynyk and Gay, will descend into spittle-flecked madness if they have to watch Duncan Robinson play here for 3 freaking years. It would really suck to have such an advantageous cap situation with our two best players making around 18 million combined and that loser soaking up 16 million.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Portland owes a pick that has like perpetual protections to Chicago. A Portland deal will likely return Hart imo. They are also like an inch away from the tax so very salary constrained. My guess is Vando/KO for Hart/Winslow. Gonna say no picks go either way. I like the deal.
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Gotta feel real confident in signing Hart to make it worthwhile. But I'm a huge Josh Hart guy. Bird rights make it easier to resign him at above the MLE.
 
KqWIN said:
How does it work with trading POR's picks when they have a first that's protected until 2028?
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You just have to satisfy the Stepien rule and the rule that says you can't trade a pick more than 7 years out or whatever. So they would send a conditional pick that conveys 2 years after the pick they send to Chicago. It would be worded like a 2025 pick to Utah if the pick they owe to chicago has conveyed... if not it rolls forward until 2029 and then you get nothing.

If it happens I really think its Hart that comes back. They aren't bringing him back with their finances... been lots of smoke on him. We win cuz we have the guy Dame loves. Maybe we flip Hart to another team for someone under contract longer (team control has been a huge theme for all the rumors). I would think we'd keep Hart and maybe he looks more like the Hart from last year.
 
KqWIN said:
Gotta feel real confident in signing Hart to make it worthwhile. But I'm a huge Josh Hart guy. Bird rights make it easier to resign him at above the MLE.
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I'm cool either way tbh. I don't see Vando or KO as super valuable. If we wanted seconds we should have got them from the Lakers and Pistons in the Bev and Bogey trades. If he stays and it works then awesome. If he wants to bounce there is a solid chance his acquirer will work on a sign and trade with us. Unless he signs for MLE money or goes to one of the ****** teams with cap space (sorry Indy... you ain't ******). I think we'd offer more than MLE... so he'd have to take a paycut to leave.

I guess I feel confident we wouldn't lose him for nothing... if he bounced then I guess we cleared like 7M in payroll between Vando and KO's small guarantee. Alone you were likely only getting seconds... I love seconds... DA can't be bothered with them.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm cool either way tbh. I don't see Vando or KO as super valuable. If we wanted seconds we should have got them from the Lakers and Pistons in the Bev and Bogey trades. If he stays and it works then awesome. If he wants to bounce there is a solid chance his acquirer will work on a sign and trade with us. Unless he signs for MLE money or goes to one of the ****** teams with cap space (sorry Indy... you ain't ******). I think we'd offer more than MLE... so he'd have to take a paycut to leave.

I guess I feel confident we wouldn't lose him for nothing... if he bounced then I guess we cleared like 7M in payroll between Vando and KO's small guarantee. Alone you were likely only getting seconds... I love seconds... DA can't be bothered with them.
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It's not a bad alternative if there are no real firsts on the table for Vando/anything for Olynyk. If you can resign Hart, which I'd be fairly confident in, that's a strong deal.

I'm also not against bringing back Vando if this is the best deal out there and hoping he makes some improvement. I think he can play better than he has this year, especially on defense.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You just have to satisfy the Stepien rule and the rule that says you can't trade a pick more than 7 years out or whatever. So they would send a conditional pick that conveys 2 years after the pick they send to Chicago. It would be worded like a 2025 pick to Utah if the pick they owe to chicago has conveyed... if not it rolls forward until 2029 and then you get nothing.

If it happens I really think its Hart that comes back. They aren't bringing him back with their finances... been lots of smoke on him. We win cuz we have the guy Dame loves. Maybe we flip Hart to another team for someone under contract longer (team control has been a huge theme for all the rumors). I would think we'd keep Hart and maybe he looks more like the Hart from last year.
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They can always get a third team involved
 
KqWIN said:
It's not a bad alternative if there are no real firsts on the table for Vando/anything for Olynyk. If you can resign Hart, which I'd be fairly confident in, that's a strong deal.

I'm also not against bringing back Vando if this is the best deal out there and hoping he makes some improvement. I think he can play better than he has this year, especially on defense.
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I don't think they would send Little but he is the other guy you can match salary around that has value. He is locked up on a cheap extension and I think he is one of Dame's favs. I'd take either deal. Maybe the Jazz love Keon Johnson or something but I doubt it. A straight Winslow for Vando trade puts Portland in the tax.
 
whatthe said:
They can always get a third team involved
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I think Hart makes a ton of sense for us... I think KO/Vando make a ton of sense for them. No need for another team unless someone wants Hart and will give us something we like better? I think Hart is a pretty ideal fit and I really think it wouldn't be hard to keep him here.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Portland owes a pick to Chicago that is top 14 protected until 2028. Unless they work with Chicago to change the protections they won't be able to trade a pick without language that makes it really tough to guess when/if that pick would be conveyed.
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I'd imagine Chicago would let them pull that protection in less than three seconds if they were asked right now. Now would Portland do that? I doubt it.
 
framer said:
I'd imagine Chicago would let them pull that protection in less than three seconds if they were asked right now. Now would Portland do that? I doubt it.
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Oh for sho! Presti has notoriously gotten second round picks for getting adjusted more favorable protections... but the protections on that one would be great to lift. I'd imagine Chicago might even send something minor back to make it happen.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Vando/Gay for Hart works salary wise.
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Oh I'd laugh my *** off if we convinced them to take Gay while giving us Hart. That does get them further from the luxury tax but I'd feel a little dirty... I mean I like feeling dirty so its cool.
 
A josh Hart trade likely means major minutes for Gay, which depending upon which side of the tank you are on. . .
 
whatthe said:
Hart is kind of small and average. Well he is not a starter so...
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Hart isn't small... he's built like a damn tank... he gets 8 rebounds a game. He might be shorter than Vando but he plays plenty big as a SF with our starters.
 
I don't really see what the deal would be from Portland's POV.

If they're motivated either: a) mainly by money and want to get off of Hart for a longer cost-controlled set of players, I guess I can see that; or b) if they're willing to go all in now and give up a prospect the Jazz like, I guess I could see that.

But I don't much value of them swapping out either Hart or Winslow for Vando/Vando+. Losing their best non-center rebounding/toughness for Vando doesn't seem like much of a benefit, unless they plan on moving Grant to SF and playing Vando and Grant together (not sure that's something I'd recommend, but maybe it can work).
 
Jingled said:
I doubt the Blazers would take Gay.
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Think I saw Vando/Gay for Hart on a Blazers fan site. People weren't jumping on the bandwagon, but neither were they turning their nose up at it. I take that too mean it's within the realm of possibility.
 
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