Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

My current prediction...

Vando goes to Portland for stuff

Beasley goes to NY for Fournier and a pick (protected)

Lakers almost do so many trades but end up doing something very minor that Pelinka sells as their top priority.

Raps stand pat and wait for the lotto results to decide what to do.

John Collins retires a Hawk.

Minny trades Naz which leads to their ultimate demise.

It will be a boring *** deadline but lots of almost deals.

 

[LogGrad98]

I think the main reason LeBron signed there was because he recognized they had the young talent to make a move for another star player, just like when he returned to Cleveland.

He went there with the assurance they would go after AD, but no guarantees. He could have walked into an untenable situation, but he still went. Lots of questions when he went, until they gutted the team to bring in AD. He wanted to play in LA. That is the crux of it. That is where legacies are made. You better believe that in his legacy the championship that will come up first will be the one in LA.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'd love to keep JC, but you know LeBron and the Lakers would love to have JC as well. If it comes down to it and Conley/JC/Gay for WB and one first is the only deal they take I'd still do it.

Probably have to I guess... but I'd lobby hard for a swap and keep Gay if we had to in that scenario.

 

[YoungJefe]

He went there with the assurance they would go after AD, but no guarantees. He could have walked into an untenable situation, but he still went. Lots of questions when he went, until they gutted the team to bring in AD. He wanted to play in LA. That is the crux of it. That is where legacies are made. You better believe that in his legacy the championship that will come up first will be the one in LA.

The bubble championship means more for his legacy then him returning to Cleveland and bringing his hometown their first championship ever? lol
Against one of the greatest teams ever in the 73-9 Warriors. Beating Herro in the bubble means more???

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

....and added another ring in the mix. On top of adding the top talent maybe the NBA has ever known. They botched the team around him, but he still went. There will always be players that want to play in LA.

I know... but I'm saying the last 10 years or so if you had the Lakers pick... that is a very good thing most of the time. The organization disfunction is the reason I would want the picks even though the weather is so nice.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

JC is the one I'd like to keep if possible if we are getting only one pick. If they will give two they can take the combo they want.

Another thing that makes a trade more possible right now is they can put the pick they own this year in a swap... now NO and LA are in the same relative spot... so swapping the Philly pick with the worse of the NO or LA pick might be pretty nice. So if its JC and we get one pick plus a swap... I could get down with that.

Jordan is opting out of his contract next year, and so he is basically a free agent. I think because of that he has a little leverage as we might be able to get more for him from a team he is willing to re-sign with. It's possible the renewed Lakers talks are based on us talking with JC, him telling us he won't be re-signing here, and is wanting to go back to the Lakers.

 

[KqWIN]

Jordan is opting out of his contract next year, and so he is basically a free agent. I think because of that he has a little leverage as we might be able to get more for him from a team he is willing to re-sign with. It's possible the renewed Lakers talks are based on us talking with JC, him telling us he won't be re-signing here, and is wanting to go back to the Lakers.

I'd feel pretty good about resigning JC, but there is a real risk of him walking for nothing.

Conley isn't worth much to me going forward, Gay is obviously a negative. I think we should count our blessings if we get away with a premium pick for JC on an expiring contract.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

The thing about a trade with the Lakers is that there are about a half dozen trades that we could do with them that make some sense for both teams. We have a lot of parts and pieces and we can absorb Wesbrook if the price is right.

JC chucking can be replaced by Westrbrook chucking if we really want it. Or Westbrook can be bought out.

For me, it's all about what the Lakers want compared to alternatives I have lined up with other teams.

If the Lakers want Beasley but I already have a first, then I sub in someone else. They can have THT back instead. If the Lakers want Olynyk, Conley, and filler... that is fine.

 

[YoungJefe]

I'd feel pretty good about resigning JC, but there is a real risk of him walking for nothing.

Conley isn't worth much to me going forward, Gay is obviously a negative. I think we should count our blessings if we get away with a premium pick for JC on an expiring contract.

JC is clearly a fan favorite and was nice to have here during a bridge year that most expected to be a terrible season. But he doesn't really fit our timeline and I'm sure he'd prefer to be on a contending team as his carer winds down.

 

[LogGrad98]

The bubble championship means more for his legacy then him returning to Cleveland and bringing his hometown their first championship ever? lol
Against one of the greatest teams ever in the 73-9 Warriors. Beating Herro in the bubble means more???

Time will tell. No one sees it as "the bubble" championship besides die-hard fans trying desperately to attach an asterisk as to why their team didn't win it and trying to diminish the Laker's championship. For the vast majority it will be the crown jewel in King James' crown.

 

[YoungJefe]

The thing about a trade with the Lakers is that there are about a half dozen trades that we could do with them that make some sense for both teams. We have a lot of parts and pieces and we can absorb Wesbrook if the price is right.

JC chucking can be replaced by Westrbrook chucking if we really want it. Or Westbrook can be bought out.

For me, it's all about what the Lakers want compared to alternatives I have lined up with other teams.

If the Lakers want Beasley but I already have a first, then I sub in someone else. They can have THT back instead. If the Lakers want Olynyk, Conley, and filler... that is fine.

I just don't see the Lakers budging on their desire to keep their draft assets in house for a deal that doesn't put them anywhere near contending.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

We have had a fantastic season. We have seen the pieces we want long term. We have featured enough guys to be on everyone's wishlist around the league.

We Cash in now with the some of the featured players, collect more assets, have a terrible 10 - 20 finish to the season, bottom out at 5th worst, and jiggle those lovely balls, the lottery ones, just the right way and it has been a stellar season.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Jordan is opting out of his contract next year, and so he is basically a free agent. I think because of that he has a little leverage as we might be able to get more for him from a team he is willing to re-sign with. It's possible the renewed Lakers talks are based on us talking with JC, him telling us he won't be re-signing here, and is wanting to go back to the Lakers.

I'd feel pretty good about resigning JC, but there is a real risk of him walking for nothing.

Conley isn't worth much to me going forward, Gay is obviously a negative. I think we should count our blessings if we get away with a premium pick for JC on an expiring contract.

I'm not worried about JC walking for nothing. He will want to make 20M+ on his next deal. The teams with cap space are pretty awful and I don't see Orlando or Indiana making a big offer for him. So if he wants to get somewhere he wants to be... he'd need to work with us on a sign and trade. The return may not be ideal but I'm not super worried about it.

I'd put JC in a deal with the Lakers though... I think if you look at the production its actually a really good value for them. You are right maybe some of the pivot on the Lakers end is us being more willing to put him in a deal. I could see him being very happy there.

 

[HeatCheck]

Agreed. If they trade JC to the Lakers it's because JC outright told them he wants to sign with the Lakers in FA. In that case you take the FRP which is the better option than keeping him the 26 games that will be left after the deadline and then losing him for nothing.

Chris Haynes is reporting this morning that "rival teams believe they have FRP offers for Beasley". Maybe it's just smoke.

TBH I would be thrilled if Ainge can somehow come out of this deadline with one FRP. If he can somehow finagle more than he is truly a magician.

 

[YoungJefe]

Time will tell. No one sees it as "the bubble" championship besides die-hard fans trying desperately to attach an asterisk as to why their team didn't win it and trying to diminish the Laker's championship. For the vast majority it will be the crown jewel in King James' crown.

LeBron and the Lakers have been clowned for the "Mickey Mouse ring" since they won it. Not sure how the bubble championship where he got 5 months of rest during the season against Tyler Herro, Jimmy Butler, and Duncan Robinson is more impressive than beating the best regular season team in NBA history, coming back from a 3-1 deficit, and doing it for his hometown team that had never won a ring. That was one of the most iconic series in NBA finals history, the bubble finals was terrible, lol.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Thinking out loud a bit... I have thought we are too good to tank even with a trade of Malik/Vando... but I think trading JC to LA would leave a void that would send us down the standings.

I guess since I'm team tank I probably have to grit my teeth and do it. Then in FA we make a big offer to JC that LA has to match and stick it to them.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I just don't see the Lakers budging on their desire to keep their draft assets in house for a deal that doesn't put them anywhere near contending.

They can't stretch the floor. Westbrook is cancer. They have enough talent at the top, but need supporting players. Role players.

Conley, JC, and Gay bring a ton of experience and scoring to surround around Lebron and AD. I think they are instantly better. If they went on a 10 - 4 run they are what, 4th seed? And feeling momentum.

 

[YoungJefe]

They can't stretch the floor. Westbrook is cancer. They have enough talent at the top, but need supporting players. Role players.

Conley, JC, and Gay bring a ton of experience and scoring to surround around Lebron and AD. I think they are instantly better. If they went on a 10 - 4 run they are what, 4th seed? And feeling momentum.

They have their issues but I just don't see them being willing to include their 2027/2029 1sts when they've been hell bent about keeping those picks since last summer. Especially not in a move that doesn't make them the favorite in the West. They were hesitant to include draft capital in a Kyrie Irving deal. I think the writing is on the wall for them, they know LeBron won't be there much longer and don't want to leverage future assets for a team that isn't a move away from contenting.

 

[KqWIN]

I'm not worried about JC walking for nothing. He will want to make 20M+ on his next deal. The teams with cap space are pretty awful and I don't see Orlando or Indiana making a big offer for him. So if he wants to get somewhere he wants to be... he'd need to work with us on a sign and trade. The return may not be ideal but I'm not super worried about it.

I'd put JC in a deal with the Lakers though... I think if you look at the production its actually a really good value for them. You are right maybe some of the pivot on the Lakers end is us being more willing to put him in a deal. I could see him being very happy there.

I'd rather have a Lakers pick than JC on a new deal tbh.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Thinking out loud a bit... I have thought we are too good to tank even with a trade of Malik/Vando... but I think trading JC to LA would leave a void that would send us down the standings.

I guess since I'm team tank I probably have to grit my teeth and do it. Then in FA we make a big offer to JC that LA has to match and stick it to them.

HH, There are 30 games left. It's not like we have tanked the whole season. The league is closely yoked. A 5 game losing streak is the difference between a top 20 pick and a top 8 pick right now. A 10 game losing streak fetches you a 35% chance of a top 3 pick. We can suffer 10 games and get that reward!!! Don't overthink it. You won't remember 10 games. You will remember the Kings losing for 16 years. This is a no brainer.

JC is great but has his flaws. Cash out. Change the chemistry. Test for 30. Jiggle the balls!