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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

Some Republicans have become Putin-friendly, so they don't want to offer supplies to Ukraine (we're not doing the actual fighting, so not in a war). However, they still like defense spending, and a large military is like an itchy trigger finger.
 
Specifically, an insurrection against the US government.

What good would Biden's presence do in Est Palestine? What would it accomplish?
 
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Specifically, an insurrection against the US government.


What good would Biden's presence do in Est Palestine? What would it accomplish?
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Well in answer to your second question, If Biden was in Est Palestine then that would be another thing to criticize him about so it would accomplish the same thing him not being there accomplishes. Something to bitch about.
 
Why is every unhinged conservative in here up our *** about Biden. Nobody here likes him, really. Sorry he dumped your boy Trump, but It's not like he's very removed from any of your ****** values. This country is so weird.

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Which specific procurement would you like to know about? Because I can really break it down pretty cleanly for you if you're actually interested. This is really a Fox News talking point but it bears almost no relationship to reality if you pay attention to how all of this works.

By way of example much of the military packages announced since September go toward a specific set of procurement goals that are part of the public record, and are tied to specific quantities of arms that are produced within the United States. For example see below

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There's a reason I asked if you had a specific disbursement you were curious about. There is no one $75 billion transaction. There's a series of smaller transactions, each of which can be pretty cleanly broken down into types of purchases and transfers.

That's why I don't think you actually know what you are asking for. I think you're saying you want every penny for every disbursement regardless of category of aid. That request is objectively unreasonable and, to quote the great Ralph Wiggum, unpossible. It's an aggregated value that involves a lot of different kinds of transactions that are not of a similar nature. You're asking for an extremely complex accounting that most people would never be able to understand without the help of a professional. It's sort of like asking to inspect the engineering schematics of a nuclear submarine. Even if you saw it, the information wouldn't be helpful.


There will not ever be any one document that does what you're asking for, and there has never been a similar document for any other federal program of similar size and scope. The smaller allocations are disbursed individually through different federal departments and different programs. Some of those amounts will have an accounting figure because they relate to the value of an existing stock that transfers ownership, rather than an actual purchase that is made. So, for example, artillery ammunition that is transferred from stores on the Korean peninsula have a "value," and would be included in an "aid figure" headline that will be collectively added into the $75 billion. But there will never be a "purchase" after the announcement is made that ties a specific procurement order to those artillery shells. From the perspective of your request, it would seem like they appeared out of nowhere.

In sum, life is more complicated than slogans. If you're actually interested in having a discussion about "where does this money go" I have some real answers for you.* If you're just trying to repeat things you've heard on tv/radio/random blog, it's not worth my time.


*The answer is usually Alabama for what it's worth.
 
"75 billion dollars" is a vague claim. Show us where in the budget we'll see an increase of 75 billion dollars.
 
Ukraine's corruption problem is a carry-over from the Soviet Union and what your article says is that Ukraine has gotten serious about anti-corruption efforts, including snaring Ihor Kolomoisky - an oligarch that Zelensky arguably had a personal interest in (Kolomoisky owned the television station that ran Zelenksy's show Sluga Naroda) and who has been historically the most bulletproof of all oligarchs.

The depths of Ukraine's corruption were in the 1990s, when the Odessa ports were the most porous in the world paired with efficient loading technology. Smuggling paradise.

The roots of Ukraine's revolutionary history over the last 20 years have really been about seriously tackling corruption, and the primary differences between Russian and Ukrainian governing philosophy come down to those efforts.

Does Ukraine have corruption issues? Yes. Of course.

Are the Ukrainians taking it seriously and has the issue been steadily improving for the last ten years. Also obviously yes (with some regional variation - Odessa itself has the most entrenched issues)

That Ukraine's soviet past has made it harder to establish a free and just society is not a compelling reason to abandon 40 million people to an empire set on genociding them and destroying the very idea of Ukraine. That's blaming the victim.
 
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Are you Putin puppets insinuating a resolution of peace!!! That’s crazy talk…
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The resolution of peace will happen when all Russian forces have removed themselves from Ukraine, including Crimea. Russia can make peace happen latter today if they want peace.
 
Yep peace is easily attainable. Russia doesnt want peace though
 
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There's a reason I asked if you had a specific disbursement you were curious about. There is no one $75 billion transaction. There's a series of smaller transactions, each of which can be pretty cleanly broken down into types of purchases and transfers.

That's why I don't think you actually know what you are asking for. I think you're saying you want every penny for every disbursement regardless of category of aid. That request is objectively unreasonable and, to quote the great Ralph Wiggum, unpossible. It's an aggregated value that involves a lot of different kinds of transactions that are not of a similar nature. You're asking for an extremely complex accounting that most people would never be able to understand without the help of a professional. It's sort of like asking to inspect the engineering schematics of a nuclear submarine. Even if you saw it, the information wouldn't be helpful.


There will not ever be any one document that does what you're asking for, and there has never been a similar document for any other federal program of similar size and scope. The smaller allocations are disbursed individually through different federal departments and different programs. Some of those amounts will have an accounting figure because they relate to the value of an existing stock that transfers ownership, rather than an actual purchase that is made. So, for example, artillery ammunition that is transferred from stores on the Korean peninsula have a "value," and would be included in an "aid figure" headline that will be collectively added into the $75 billion. But there will never be a "purchase" after the announcement is made that ties a specific procurement order to those artillery shells. From the perspective of your request, it would seem like they appeared out of nowhere.

In sum, life is more complicated than slogans. If you're actually interested in having a discussion about "where does this money go" I have some real answers for you.* If you're just trying to repeat things you've heard on tv/radio/random blog, it's not worth my time.


*The answer is usually Alabama for what it's worth.
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Great answer.

He is a known troll, btw, albeit not a very successful one. So that might save you some time.
 
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