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We should not have traded NAW

HermanG said:
Do you think they paid the right price considering the 3 guys they got?
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I dont. not only did they get 3 guys to help them win now (which they are desperate to do since they dont own their pick) but we also took a huge salary from them and saved then tons of money and took a player off their hands that they didn't want.
And they give 1 protected first that might be 2 seconds? not enough imo
 
fishonjazz said:
I dont. not only did they get 3 guys to help them win now (which they are desperate to do since they dont own their pick) but we also took a huge salary from them and saved then tons of money and took a player off their hands that they didn't want.
And they give 1 protected first that might be 2 seconds? not enough imo
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Why are you saying we saved them tons of money? They didn’t save very much at all and actually added salary for next year.
 
Elizah Huge said:
They gave up the best asset in the deal and a huge expiring contract. I would say they did.
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Russ along with his deal was a problem to them. I dont think he was the only expiring available if that was all we wanted... especially considering the buyout markets we just witnessed.

Also I'm confused... how is a single protected 2027 FRP so valuable that its worth:
  • Expiring 27 yo former all-star PG
  • 23 yo rotational guy with an awesome contract
  • 26 yo shooter (the whole NBA knew they desperately needed shooting)
Are there reference points for similar trades in the past, where one protected FRP gets you that much?
 
We gave up multiple pieces that could have been complimentary pieces with great contracts on a team that competes. The only logic I can muster is that the Jazz don't think it is difficult to find complimentary pieces on the cheap and traded more based upon overall salary cap reasons. I dont think anyone can argue that we got asset value for what we sent out.
 
HermanG said:
Russ along with his deal was a problem to them. I dont think he was the only expiring available if that was all we wanted... especially considering the buyout markets we just witnessed.

Also I'm confused... how is a single protected 2027 FRP so valuable that its worth:
  • Expiring 27 yo former all-star PG
  • 23 yo rotational guy with an awesome contract
  • 26 yo shooter (the whole NBA knew they desperately needed shooting)
Are there reference points for similar trades in the past, where one protected FRP gets you that much?
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I don’t think you understand. The Lakers traded the single most valuable asset in the entire deal.

The Celtics have traded terrible firsts in seperate deals for Derrick White and Malcolm Brogdon. Both of which are probably better than any single player the Lakers got. In my opinion at least.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I don’t think you understand. The Lakers traded the single most valuable asset in the entire deal.

The Celtics have traded terrible firsts in seperate deals for Derrick White and Malcolm Brogdon. Both of which are probably better than any single player the Lakers got. In my opinion at least.
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lakers didn't get any single player doe. They got 3 players and dumped a player and salary they didn't want.
 
Beasley is shooting 38.5% from the field and 34.2% from 3 with the Lakers.

Vanderbilt is what he is. He’s averaging like 8/8 in 24 mins.

You guys are acting like we gave up so much. It’s hilarious.
 
Actually the most valuable asset in the entire trade might be us taking westbrick off the Lakers hands.
I remember seeing folks on jazzfanz talking about getting 2 first round picks simply by taking Westbrick off the Lakers hands. Not even giving them any players in the deal. Them losing westbrick was huge for them.
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The effect on the Lakers record by losing westbrick is probably greater than the effect on our record will be from the draft compensation that we end up getting.
 
fishonjazz said:
Actually the most valuable asset in the entire trade might be us taking westbrick off the Lakers hands.
I remember seeing folks on jazzfanz talking about getting 2 first round picks simply by taking Westbrick off the Lakers hands. Not even giving them any players in the deal. Them losing westbrick was huge for them.
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Lol… people on here told me Minnesota was guaranteed to be a top-3 seed and that we weren’t tanking. I was on record saying I would have taken Westbrook and a pick swap bare minimum and we actually ended up getting a great first.
 
fishonjazz said:
The effect on the Lakers record by losing westbrick is probably greater than the effect on our record will be from the draft compensation that we end up getting.
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You do realize that the Lakers being better directly helps us in three different ways right?

Minnesota’s pick could be worse due to the Lakers being better.

Our own pick will be better due to the Lakers being better.

New Orleans not getting a high draft pick from a swap is good for us in the future and that is due to the Lakers being better.
 
fishonjazz said:
Actually the most valuable asset in the entire trade might be us taking westbrick off the Lakers hands.
I remember seeing folks on jazzfanz talking about getting 2 first round picks simply by taking Westbrick off the Lakers hands. Not even giving them any players in the deal. Them losing westbrick was huge for them.
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Ball don't lie (that is what the basketball reaction means btw, because I just made that up). :cool:
 
Elizah Huge said:
You do realize that the Lakers being better directly helps us in three different ways right?

Minnesota’s pick could be worse due to the Lakers being better.

Our own pick will be better due to the Lakers being better.

New Orleans not getting a high draft pick from a swap is good for us in the future and that is due to the Lakers being better.
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Of course. But the lakers were desperate to get rid of him and him being gone is helping them the most. They got 3 guys to help them win and lost a guy who helps them win. And they might have simply lost a couple second round picks in the deal. If the jazz got 3 guys to help them win (all three of which are likely to continue to get better) and got rid of guy we were desperate to get rid of and all we gave up was a protected first that might end up as 2 seconds then I would be ecstatic. Like im sure they are.
 
fishonjazz said:
Of course. But the lakers were desperate to get rid of him and him being gone is helping them the most. They got 3 guys to help them win and lost a guy who helps them win. And they might have simply lost a couple second round picks in the deal. If the jazz got 3 guys to help them win (all three of which are likely to continue to get better) and got rid of guy we were desperate to get rid of and all we gave up was a protected first that might end up as 2 seconds then I would be ecstatic. Like im sure they are.
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It could also end up 5-10. If we traded a first in 2027 that ended up 5-10 and what we got out of the deal was a first round exit in 2023 would you be ecstatic?
 
Elizah Huge said:
It could also end up 5-10. If we traded a first in 2027 that ended up 5-10 and what we got out of the deal was a first round exit in 2023 would you be ecstatic?
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Depends. Do we end up as a first round exit or do we go deep into the playoffs? Do the players we got improve in the coming years?

All I know is if the jazz got 3 young players to help them win and got rid of a guy we were desperate to get rid of and all we gave up was a top 4 protected first that conveys to 2 second round picks if it lands in the top 4 then I would be ecstatic. Now if it turned out we gave up the 5th pick then that would change the way I felt as that would mean that the guys we got didn't help us get better long term and we gave up a really good pick.

Can only wait and see for that kind of stuff. I just know I would be super happy with the trade if I were a lakers fan at this point.
 
jazzfan1132 said:
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Making Wolves better when having their PICK this Year (?) giving UP three STARTERS! 2nd and NAW - for what? potential 2nd rounder. from LAL?
DA fail.
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You do realize they’re 4-6 since trading for Conley and NAW right? They were 30-28 before the trade and are now 34-34. They went 14-7 in their last 21 games before the trade. They got worse.
 
jazzfan1132 said:
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Making Wolves better when having their PICK this Year (?) giving UP three STARTERS! 2nd and NAW - for what? potential 2nd rounder. from LAL?
DA fail.
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Making Wolves better? They are 4-6 with Conley.

We made the Lakers better which helps both of our picks but that Minny picture is so stupid since its a snapshot of their lowest point over a month before the trade, and DLo hot shooting was instrumental in carrying them out of that hole.
 
Elizah Huge said:
You do realize they’re 4-6 since trading for Conley and NAW right? They were 30-28 before the trade and are now 34-34. They went 14-7 in their last 21 games before the trade. They got worse.
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HermanG said:
Making Wolves better? They are 4-6 with Conley.

We made the Lakers better which helps both of our picks but that Minny picture is so stupid since its a snapshot of their lowest point over a month before the trade, and DLo hot shooting was instrumental in carrying them out of that hole.
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Eh, 10 games in, still to early. Look how long it took for Conley to get into any kind of groove here, where we were already highly successful and just looking for the 2nd Robin on a contender. It will take them a while to really get into a groove.
 
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