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2023 NBA Draft Megathread

Bodhi said:
Ah yes because if he waits till next year, avoids injury and plays great and is the #1 pick he gets to hand pick his team.

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Wtf is going on right now?
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You forgot that he also gets younger by waiting a year. there is that advantage to factor in.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The #1 pick is typically an atrocious team not looking to win now and will you give you unlimited reps. He goes to a mid lottery team and he is potentially buried in a depth chart and looking at a longer development process that he may not be ready for.
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Too sides to dat coin. Go to atrocious team and learn bad habits and/or not be ready for dem reps. Go to a mid lottery team and learn good habits and come along more at your readiness level. Lots of stuffs can happens. Take the money when you can get it doe.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The #1 pick is typically an atrocious team not looking to win now and will you give you unlimited reps. He goes to a mid lottery team and he is potentially buried in a depth chart and looking at a longer development process that he may not be ready for.

I'm not arguing against the fact that declaring asap is the less risky choice, but these choices are individual and if the individual doesn't feel ready to be on a NBA team I believe waiting is a good idea and given the upcoming class (if what is said is true) it's a great year to be in that position.
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One argument against returning is 9 of the top 14 prospects as of right now in next years draft not counting one's that may return as well are wings.
Also the last time a 2 or 3 or 4 year college prospect went 1 was Blake in 09.
He would be getting bad advice to return to school if the reason was to try to be a higher pick. there are plenty of ****** teams on the treadmill right now sitting mid to late lottery that could hand him the keys to the tank day 1. I think he should stay in, unless ALL the orgs he visits with while "testing the waters" tell him he has more to work on than he ever expected to hear them say.
I have him as a lock to go before both Twins and probably before Walker. He is more likely taken 3-5 than 8 or after.
I guess the final draft order will be easier to predict these things.
I disagree with everyone saying no porjected top 10 prospect should ever return, if the projection is coming from ****ing fans and media jackasses instead of actual scouts. smh
 
Bodhi said:
So if you’re Cam you risk injury for the potential to go from like 4-6 for maybe a chance at 1?

No one with an ounce of sanity would advise him to do that.
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He's a top 10 lock at this point. If he doesn't come out, it's because he doesn't feel ready personally (like Marcus Smart some years back). If he goes back to school, there's no guarantee his draft position is much different. He might go 4 or 5 next year instead of 7 or 8 this year.
 
Welp, we're back to Gradey Dick, Cason Wallace or Keyonte George. Enjoy! Maybe the league will reward Utah for being plucky all season. The Spurs were egregious.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yeah. Hendricks is gone.
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Someone would probably have to reach for Black or Wallace, but otherwise yeah. Wemby, Scoot, Amen, Miller, Ausar, Walker, Whitmore, Hendricks are probably the top 8 in some order. I can't think who else could break into that group right now.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Welp, we're back to Gradey Dick, Cason Wallace or Keyonte George. Enjoy! Maybe the league will reward Utah for being plucky all season. The Spurs were egregious.
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Black, Wallace, or Tay Henny... or we jump into the top 4. I think the Wiz would lose tomorrow anyway. It sucks but we tried so hard.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Black, Wallace, or Tay Henny... or we jump into the top 4. I think the Wiz would lose tomorrow anyway. It sucks but we tried so hard.
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Personally, I'm not a fan of Black or Wallace in the top 10. I would try to trade up a few spots, or I would look at Dick and George. I want real scoring and advanced playmaking from a top-10 pick.
 
Maybe the Jazz already know who they want in the draft, and they're comfortable drafting at #9 or #10 to get him (assuming they don't move up). If you want to tank a game, all you have to do is stop rebounding.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Maybe the Jazz already know who they want in the draft, and they're comfortable drafting at #9 or #10 to get him (assuming they don't move up). If you want to tank a game, all you have to do is stop rebounding.
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0% chance anyone knows how a draft order is fully shaping up in the first of April to say you know your guy will be there.

Like every draft, A LOT will play out from now until early/mid-June.
 
Bodhi said:
0% chance anyone knows how a draft order is fully shaping up in the first of April to say you know your guy will be there.

Like every draft, A LOT will play out from now until early/mid-June.
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I disagree. If the Jazz have decided they like Gradey Dick, Cason Wallace and Keyonte George, they can feel confident that one or more of them will be available at 9 or 10. And if not, that means someone else highly rated slips to them. At this point, everyone knows that Wemby, Scoot, Miller, Amen, Ausar and Walker will in all likelihood be taken in the top 7 or 8 picks. At least that's the probability a team needs to plan around.

The bottom line is that the Jazz held out good players, but they never actually tried to lose today's game despite its potential lottery implications.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Personally, I'm not a fan of Black or Wallace in the top 10. I would try to trade up a few spots, or I would look at Dick and George. I want real scoring and advanced playmaking from a top-10 pick.
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I dont see us taking any of those 4 if we are in the top 10. maybe one of them is there at 13-16 if they like them well enough like Grady Dick.
I agree though on Black and Wallace their defensive skill is being overvalued by most mockers imo. The intel they are using is smoke.
I doubt anyone making these draft decisions, really sees either of Black or Wallace as better options than more versatile types . Not any more than the raw Lively or Mitchell or any other one dimensional prospect.
 
Eddie Zero said:
I dont see us taking any of those 4 if we are in the top 10. maybe one of them is there at 13-16 if they like them well enough like Grady Dick.
I agree though on Black and Wallace their defensive skill is being overvalued by most mockers imo. The intel they are using is smoke.
I doubt anyone making these draft decisions, really sees either of Black or Wallace as better options than more versatile types . Not any more than the raw Lively or Mitchell or any other one dimensional prospect.
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Who do you see the Jazz taking at #9 if Wemby, Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Miller, Whitmore, Walker and Hendricks are off the board?
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I disagree. If the Jazz have decided they like Gradey Dick, Cason Wallace and Keyonte George, they can feel confident that one or more of them will be available at 9 or 10. And if not, that means someone else highly rated slips to them. At this point, everyone knows that Wemby, Scoot, Miller, Amen, Ausar and Walker will in all likelihood be taken in the top 7 or 8 picks. At least that's the probability a team needs to plan around.

The bottom line is that the Jazz held out good players, but they never actually tried to lose today's game despite its potential lottery implications.
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I disagree with that disagreement. They might “like” those dudes but until they get them in for interviews, measurements, workouts etc it’s all theory.

“We like those 3 guys right now, we are good, anyone of those 3 will be there 3 months from now for sure” is a conversation that happens in fan fiction, not in adult professions.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Who do you see the Jazz taking at #9 if Wemby, Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Miller, Whitmore, Walker and Hendricks are off the board?
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in that scenario I am guessing it would be between Hawkins and Sidy with a slight chance GG, Leonard Miller or maybe Whitehead did enough in the pre draft process to leapfrog those 2 but I doubt it.
I think its a strong possiblity Auser is there at 9 though if Hendricks or Hawkins goes top 8, but I am not high on him either if he falls to 9 , there will probably be good reason for it. I mean unless he shows a lot in private workouts, for the Jazz and its not leaked, that indicated a much more advanced offensive arsenal we have not seen this year anyway.
My choice could steer toward George as best fit for us , if Hawkins is gone, but George's lack of efficiency at Baylor, despite the shiftyness and somewhat underrated upside, is still a major flag
 
Bodhi said:
0% chance anyone knows how a draft order is fully shaping up in the first of April to say you know your guy will be there.

Like every draft, A LOT will play out from now until early/mid-June.
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I mean even if you waited until after the draft order is known there is usually one surprise that changes things. Griffin was supposed to go like 6/7 at this point in the process last year… slid to 15.

Right now I think I have a good read on who the top 10 will be but if you told me I was only right on 7/10 it wouldn’t shock me.

I would guess Dick/Hawkins/George get some top 10 buzz somewhere in the process. I’d be comfortable staying at 9 or 10 and would try and make moves to get the Minny pick from 13/14 (hopefully) and get into the top 10.
 
We might just need to embrace the idea of Black. We lose a year trying to get him into a complete player and the development coaches would be working on him 24x7 but there is a small/decent chance he could be a 2way gem with lots of work.
 
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