2023 NBA Draft Megathread

[Jingled]

I don’t know man I think this is one of the deepest drafts in a long time.

I'm probably just putting too much stock in what Lock's numbers from this week say...the thing that really struck me is that he said this is the worst class in the 5 years he's been running these numbers. To be fair, he hasn't actually watched any of these guys play or dug into their defense at all yet.

 

[idiot]

Does anyone know whether he makes his draft numbers available? This would help us (more than just the anecdotal memory) of whether his numbers have much bearing on anything?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Does anyone know whether he makes his draft numbers available? This would help us (more than just the anecdotal memory) of whether his numbers have much bearing on anything?

Get synergy

 

[The Midnight]

Locke's supposed to go over what Ainge's draft picks history's like today.

Would be interesting to see if my hypothesis of Ainge targeting length & scoring will be correct or not.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm listening to David Locke stuff. So to summarize, he likes Brandon Miller, Cam Whitmore, Gradey Dick, Jordan Hawkins, Taylor Hendricks, Brice Sensabaugh, Kobe Bufkin, Jalen Wilson so far....

He has concerns about Nick Smith, Anthony Black, Jalen Hood-Schifino and Keyonte George due to some combination of poor shooting and athleticism.

I feel the same.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm probably just putting too much stock in what Lock's numbers from this week say...the thing that really struck me is that he said this is the worst class in the 5 years he's been running these numbers. To be fair, he hasn't actually watched any of these guys play or dug into their defense at all yet.

Meh… Locke really considers one side of the court and I just don’t know if analytics is the end all be all… it tells part of the story but college basketball is getting further and further away from the nba game. There are also plenty of good analytics guys in our draft range.

We got this! And by we… I mean Ainge and JZ.

 

[KqWIN]

I do not listen to Locke anymore, especially for draft stuff since a Jazz higher up is not telling him who the Jazz are drafting anymore lol.

But is he still doing the transition percentile = athleticism? Because that is one of the prime examples of Locke being a terrible numbers guy despite advertising himself as a numbers guy. He should not be taken seriously.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I do not listen to Locke anymore, especially for draft stuff since a Jazz higher up is not telling him who the Jazz are drafting anymore lol.

But is he still doing the transition percentile = athleticism? Because that is one of the prime examples of Locke being a terrible numbers guy despite advertising himself as a numbers guy. He should not be taken seriously.

Yeah… and again… Locke considers only 50% of a basketball game.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I do not listen to Locke anymore, especially for draft stuff since a Jazz higher up is not telling him who the Jazz are drafting anymore lol.

But is he still doing the transition percentile = athleticism? Because that is one of the prime examples of Locke being a terrible numbers guy despite advertising himself as a numbers guy. He should not be taken seriously.

What other stats should he use? Yall are such babies when it comes to Locke lmao

 

[KqWIN]

Yeah… and again… Locke considers only 50% of a basketball game.

Yeah….he’s exceptionally bad because he’s so confident about the numbers he chooses. Classic Dunning Kruger. I wouldn’t even say he considers 50% of the game. He considers like 20% of one side of the floor and he does so very poorly.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah….he’s exceptionally bad because he’s so confident about the numbers he chooses. Classic Dunning Kruger. I wouldn’t even say he considers 50% of the game. He considers like 20% of one side of the floor and he does so very poorly.

I believe it’s Freddy Krueger…

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Locke literally tells yall what he's doing and that it's an incomplete first look at prospects because he is not considering himself a draft person, yet yall still complain like he's trying to come off as an "expert".

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I do not listen to Locke anymore, especially for draft stuff since a Jazz higher up is not telling him who the Jazz are drafting anymore lol.

But is he still doing the transition percentile = athleticism? Because that is one of the prime examples of Locke being a terrible numbers guy despite advertising himself as a numbers guy. He should not be taken seriously.

Rich coming from the dude who comped Amari Bailey and Anthony Black.

 

[fishonjazz]

What other stats should he use? Yall are such babies when it comes to Locke lmao

To determine athleticism? Vertical. Timed sprints and such. Things of that nature.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

To determine athleticism? Vertical. Timed sprints and such. Things of that nature.

They post those things for season stats? Good lord some of yall so daft. Also those things arent very good for basketball athleticism. What good is it if you run a 4.2 40 w/ a 40 inch vertical but you dont have the body control to finish in transition?

Locke is taking synergy stats and using them to guess what prospects are. Then he's going to bring in an actual draft guy who scouts these players to tell them what they actually are.

 

[fishonjazz]

They post those things for season stats? Good lord some of yall so daft. Also those things arent very good for basketball athleticism. What good is it if you run a 4.2 40 w/ a 40 inch vertical but you dont have the body control to finish in transition?

Locke is taking synergy stats and using them to guess what prospects are. Then he's going to bring in an actual draft guy who scouts these players to tell them what they actually are.

I mean a couple posts back you made the statement that the twin are much more athletic than bilal. I assume you didn't have any stats that got you to that conclusion. If there are actual stats like vertical jump measurements to tell you how athletic someone is then use them. If there aren't actual athletic measurements then maybe just use your eyeballs, like you did, instead of making up some weird obscure stat that means nothing to anyone. I think that is the issue that some folks are having with locke. He sometimes kinda just makes up stats that dont really mean much to anyone. Its kinda his thing/schtick. It can be annoying.

 

[The Midnight]

Rich coming from the dude who comped Amari Bailey and Anthony Black.

We're gonna hear about this til the end of time i presume? Hahaha..

 

[KqWIN]

Rich coming from the dude who comped Amari Bailey and Anthony Black.

You used only fake made up arguments to say they are different and tried to lecture me on the fake things you made up. I don't know why you think this is an own when you use an example of when you used made up information. You cannot even deny the fake information you made up.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I mean a couple posts back you made the statement that the twin are much more athletic than bilal. I assume you didn't have any stats that got you to that conclusion. If there are actual stats like vertical jump measurements to tell you how athletic someone is then use them. If there aren't actual athletic measurements then maybe just use your eyeballs, like you did, instead of making up some weird obscure stat that means nothing to anyone. I think that is the issue that some folks are having with locke. He sometimes kinda just makes up stats that dont really mean much to anyone. Its kinda his thing/schtick. It can be annoying.

Brother I can show you combine results for dudes who have posted 38 inch verticals and then dude who have 32 inches and everyone would pick the guy with 32 as more athletic. Vertical is not a good marker for functional athletic ability in the NBA.

 

[KqWIN]

What other stats should he use? Yall are such babies when it comes to Locke lmao

I don't know what Locke does now, he is not worth a listen for me. But when I did listen, the transition -> athleticism stuff was obviously really bad. Maybe he's gotten better, I wouldn't know. Transition -> Athleticism isn't that bad of a logical line to draw....but he only uses transition efficiency, which is not useful. The best transition players aren't the players who are the most efficient, they are the one's who create the most transition opportunities. It's kinda like saying a 40% 3 point shooter who takes one per game is better than a 35% shooter who shoots 10 per game. You shouldn't really be relying on one number so significantly in the first place, but he's using one that's fairly useless for what he's trying to do anyways.