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Blind Taste Test - Pick 3 Players

Pick 3 of these guys just based on per 36 stats:

  • Player 1

    Votes: 2 3.9%

  • Player 2

    Votes: 15 29.4%

  • Player 3

    Votes: 11 21.6%

  • Player 4

    Votes: 38 74.5%

  • Player 5

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Player 6

    Votes: 30 58.8%

  • Player 7

    Votes: 23 45.1%

  • Player 8

    Votes: 15 29.4%
  • Total voters
    51
Elizah Huge said:
I think you are overreacting to one or two guys takes. Nobody that I’ve seen outside of one or two guys has said anything unreasonable. I think Norman Powell was thrown out by local media and a couple of guys here agreed they’re similar. That would be on the higher end of Ochai’s ceiling. I think he could be a valuable Danny Green type. I think he could be an elite 3 and D player for us at his ceiling.

I have also said I would trade him to get Hendricks or Black. It just seems like you go out of your way at times to include him in trade talks so we made a joke and ran with it.
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This thread is also a bit of a joke... or me leaning into the joke.

I just would personally rather trade Ochai to move up than one of our premium picks... I'd prefer moving the Philly pick to Ochai for sure... I just would be okay getting a better prospect or getting a more dynamic guy even if they don't turn out as good as Ochai... cuz I think he might be like a 12-15M SG type at his top end. I just don't think Ochai should be off the table... He was declared untouchable at one point... which is a good message to send if you are the FO. I also don't think he should dictate our thinking... and the messaging is he needs to start... which is the right messaging to send. I just would not make a JC decision based on Ochai either. It seems to be a factor... maybe.

I would be surprised if we moved him but I think 80% here would be shocked.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This thread is also a bit of a joke... or me leaning into the joke.

I just would personally rather trade Ochai to move up than one of our premium picks... I'd prefer moving the Philly pick to Ochai for sure... I just would be okay getting a better prospect or getting a more dynamic guy even if they don't turn out as good as Ochai... cuz I think he might be like a 12-15M SG type at his top end. I just don't think Ochai should be off the table... He was declared untouchable at one point... which is a good message to send if you are the FO. I also don't think he should dictate our thinking... and the messaging is he needs to start... which is the right messaging to send. I just would not make a JC decision based on Ochai either. It seems to be a factor... maybe.

I would be surprised if we moved him but I think 80% here would be shocked.
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Would you rather move Ochai or the 2025 Cleveland 1st?
 
Elizah Huge said:
Would you rather move Ochai or the 2025 Cleveland 1st?
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Ochai... completely unprotected firsts are just so valuable and that pick could have enormous value if Mobley continues to stagnate or the Donovan Mitchell trade rumors start back up. There are certain teams that would likely prefer Ochai... if they are moving back to get players not picks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Ochai... completely unprotected firsts are just so valuable and that pick could have enormous value if Mobley continues to stagnate or the Donovan Mitchell trade rumors start back up. There are certain teams that would likely prefer Ochai... if they are moving back to get players not picks.
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My bad, lottery protected or Ochai?
 
Elizah Huge said:
My bad, lottery protected or Ochai?
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Ignoring the other details like what happens if it falls into the protections (like is it a second or they get a swap or something?) I'd say I would keep Ochai in that scenario.

I know some think the lakers pick is our most valuable pick... and some see it as a second round pick (lol) I think it carries less trade value because it has protections. But say the choice is Lakers pick or Ochai to move from 16 to 8 (to grab Cam Whitmore or Hendricks)... I'd probably trade Ochai.

So that's kind of where I see his value.
 
You have to move Ochai before one of our first rounders. Those first rounders could turn out to be young promising players. You want to give up a pick that could turn into someone like Ochai Agbaji?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Ignoring the other details like what happens if it falls into the protections (like is it a second or they get a swap or something?) I'd say I would keep Ochai in that scenario.

I know some think the lakers pick is our most valuable pick... and some see it as a second round pick (lol) I think it carries less trade value because it has protections. But say the choice is Lakers pick or Ochai to move from 16 to 8 (to grab Cam Whitmore or Hendricks)... I'd probably trade Ochai.

So that's kind of where I see his value.
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If you told me who we grabbed at 16 I would have a better idea of yay or nay to that trade.

If we get GG at 16? I'd just keep Ochai

If we getting JHS at 16? I'd probably rather trade Ochai.

There's a pretty a decent amount of players at 16 I'd rather have + Ochai than Hendricks or Whitmore.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
If you told me who we grabbed at 16 I would have a better idea of yay or nay to that trade.

If we get GG at 16? I'd just keep Ochai

If we getting JHS at 16? I'd probably rather trade Ochai.

There's a pretty a decent amount of players at 16 I'd rather have + Ochai than Hendricks or Whitmore.
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So quite literally the exact line of thinking you labeled me a "hater" for... cool.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Without blinking. Ochai should have value but the value is more defined and more time-constrained than unprotected picks years in the future. Those things are precious (at least/especially when weighing them as tradable assets).
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If you are trying to buy something for 15k would you rather have 15k in cash or a car worth 15k you can sell.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Ochai... completely unprotected firsts are just so valuable and that pick could have enormous value if Mobley continues to stagnate or the Donovan Mitchell trade rumors start back up. There are certain teams that would likely prefer Ochai... if they are moving back to get players not picks.
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Ochai also has particular value to a particular set of teams: ones that are desperate to win now and not excited about the risk of a draft pick not working out. He is also one of the exact player types (at least in theory) that Dallas - for example - should be targeting
 
Bawse Dawg said:
You have to move Ochai before one of our first rounders. Those first rounders could turn out to be young promising players. You want to give up a pick that could turn into someone like Ochai Agbaji?
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I get it... but the pick could end up top 4 which would have a higher expected outcome than Ochai... it could end up middle of the draft and I would say Ochai is a good median outcome of a pick in the teens... but there is also a chance it becomes an all-star... and the value he brings projects to be fairly replaceable.
 
I'm definitely not making him untouchable, but I do feel like these discussions gloss over the fact that Ochai has already cleared the biggest hurdle that all worthwhile draft picks have to get over: He can play in the league.

It's easy to get hyped about prospects, but half these dudes will simply bust out of the league, including some top-10 picks. If you wanna take a big swing, and use him to take it, that's fine. But it should be acknowledged that you are giving up a known quality NBA player for a dice roll. You could trade 16 and Ochai for #10 or whatever, and #10 could bust completely, #16 could be better, etc. And you can't chalk it up to draft **** happens, because you knew this dude was a nice player (and handsome af) and you still moved him as nothing more than a trade sweetener.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Ochai also has particular value to a particular set of teams: ones that are desperate to win now and not excited about the risk of a draft pick not working out. He is also one of the exact player types (at least in theory) that Dallas - for example - should be targeting
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This... some teams might prefer the extra pick... some might prefer the player.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
I'm definitely not making him untouchable, but I do feel like these discussions gloss over the fact that Ochai has already cleared the biggest hurdle that all worthwhile draft picks have to get over: He can play in the league.

It's easy to get hyped about prospects, but half these dudes will simply bust out of the league, including some top-10 picks. If you wanna take a big swing, and use him to take it, that's fine. But it should be acknowledged that you are giving up a known quality NBA player for a dice roll. You could trade 16 and Ochai for #10 or whatever, and #10 could bust completely, #16 could be better, etc. And you can't chalk it up to draft **** happens, because you knew this dude was a nice player (and handsome af) and you still moved him as nothing more than a trade sweetener.
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Its true... you can also trade Trey Lyles and the draft pick that became that syracuse stiff that is out of the league and get Donovan Mitchell.

If you give up Ochai in a deal and the pick doesn't workout... well that sucks... but you can also sign someone to replace what he brings at a relatively easy to swallow price. Unless he takes a few leaps (which could happen)... then it would really hurt.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its true... you can also trade Trey Lyles and the draft pick that became that syracuse stiff that is out of the league and get Donovan Mitchell.

If you give up Ochai in a deal and the pick doesn't workout... well that sucks... but you can also sign someone to replace what he brings at a relatively easy to swallow price. Unless he takes a few leaps (which could happen)... then it would really hurt.
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But if there was no risk that he'd be missed in the net or that there is significant untapped upside, then there is no trade value.

The way gambling (or investing) works is you can lose or win. If you're good/smart at it, then you find ways to take a small risk with the potential for a bigger reward and plan for the ramifications of the worse scenario playing out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
All numbers are per36 and shooting percentages are overall/3P/FT

Player 1 - 14.6 pts - 2.7 ast - 4.1 reb - .7 stls - .2 blks - 41/35/88 - 9 three point attempts per game

Player 2 - 13.2 pts - 2.4 ast - 3.9 reb - .8 stl - .3 blks - 46/43/64 - 8 three point attempts per game

Player 3 - 14.9 pts - 4.2 ast - 4.4 reb - 1.1 stl - .1 blks - 44/37/87 - 7 three point attempts per game

Player 4 - 12.9 pts - 4.8 ast - 6.2 reb - 1.8 stl - .2 blks - 43.5/40/82 - 7 three point attempts per game

Player 5 - 13.9 pts - 2 ast - 3.6 reb - .5 stl - .4 blks - 43/35.5/81 - 7 three point attempts per game

Player 6 - 13.7 pts - 3 ast - 4.3 reb - 1.1 stl - .3 blks - 44/40/90 - 7 three point attempts per game

Player 7 - 15.4 pts - 4.1 ast - 4.1 reb - 1.6 stl - .5 blk - 43/36.5/85 - 7 three point attempts per game

Player 8 - 13.6 pts - 2.3 ast - 5.5 reb - 1.4 stl - .5 blk - 42/40/81 - 4.4 three point attempts per game
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Player 9 - 12.5 pts - 1.9 ast - 5.5 reb - 1.0 stl - 0.7 blk - 49/44/72 - 5.2 three point attempts per game

This is the one we want. . .
 
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Coach Ellis said:
Player 9 - 12.5 pts - 1.9 ast - 5.5 reb - 1.0 stl - 0.7 blk - 49/44/72

This is the one we want. . .
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50% more rebounds, 100% more steals, 75% more blocks and more efficient shooting… but sure I’ll play along.

If these were Ochais numbers I’d likely be quite a bit higher on him FYI.
 
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