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What are Republicans doing to Unify the country?

Gameface said:
They haven't delivered on their promises anymore than the Republicans have. Hope is a stupid thing for a corrupt political party to run on.

I don't know of you know this, the Democratic party doesn't give a **** about, they don't give a **** about me. They care about power, money and control... because they are one of two major political parties in the U.S..

The Republican party is bad right now BECAUSE they have become too ideological. The Democratic party is the one I prefer more right now because they are just trying to run a government while fleecing all of us. That's an arrangement I'm perfectly happy with. Give me a competent government that plays within the boundaries of a modern representative system and I'll vote for that all day long.

If a political party wants to pretend like they've got my back and we're on the same team they can go **** their self.
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All of this ****. ****ing all of it. Preach brother gameface, preach.
 
Gameface said:
They haven't delivered on their promises anymore than the Republicans have. Hope is a stupid thing for a corrupt political party to run on.

I don't know of you know this, the Democratic party doesn't give a **** about, they don't give a **** about me. They care about power, money and control... because they are one of two major political parties in the U.S..

The Republican party is bad right now BECAUSE they have become too ideological. The Democratic party is the one I prefer more right now because they are just trying to run a government while fleecing all of us. That's an arrangement I'm perfectly happy with. Give me a competent government that plays within the boundaries of a modern representative system and I'll vote for that all day long.

If a political party wants to pretend like they've got my back and we're on the same team they can go **** their self.
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The ACA was pretty awesome. That was the largest expansion of health care since the Great society was first established. And under Biden we had vaccines distributed, economy recovered, Ukraine supported and NATO rebuilt, and infrastructure passed. I think if 24 ends up being a landslide year, the coalition will be large enough to blow the filibuster and enact change on gun reform, shore up health care, codify Roe, pass the John Lewis voting rights, and do something to address the Supreme Court.

I’d love to see evidence that they’re as good at fulfilling promises as the GOP. How’s that wall and has Mexico paid for it yet? How about infrastructure week, has it passed? What about Donald’s health care reform, two more weeks?
 
The Thriller said:
The ACA was pretty awesome. That was the largest expansion of health care since the Great society was first established. And under Biden we had vaccines distributed, economy recovered, Ukraine supported and NATO rebuilt, and infrastructure passed. I think if 24 ends up being a landslide year, the coalition will be large enough to blow the filibuster and enact change on gun reform, shore up health care, codify Roe, pass the John Lewis voting rights, and do something to address the Supreme Court.

I’d love to see evidence that they’re as good at fulfilling promises as the GOP. How’s that wall and has Mexico paid for it yet? How about infrastructure week, has it passed? What about Donald’s health care reform, two more weeks?
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The ACA is a compromise with insurance companies and drug manufacturers, because that's who the Democrats answer to just as much as the Republicans. It was also largely a political failure because our system still sucks and now what I hear from conservatives is that Obama ruined our wonderful system and made costs go up. I know that costs were skyrocketing before the ACA and I'm not able to know what would have happened with no ACA. I do know that many more people have insurance than before and I think that's great. But Obama didn't win conservatives over with it, completely the opposite happened. It was an example to conservatives that Democrats were socialists and if they were to go unchecked we'd just go full-blown Venezuela.

You always seem to want to come back at me on this stuff with a point-by-point. All that tells me is that you didn't listen to or understand a ****ing thing I said.
 
Gameface said:
The ACA is a compromise with insurance companies and drug manufacturers, because that's who the Democrats answer to just as much as the Republicans. It was also largely a political failure because our system still sucks and now what I hear from conservatives is that Obama ruined our wonderful system and made costs go up. I know that costs were skyrocketing before the ACA and I'm not able to know what would have happened with no ACA. I do know that many more people have insurance than before and I think that's great. But Obama didn't win conservatives over with it, completely the opposite happened. It was an example to conservatives that Democrats were socialists and if they were to go unchecked we'd just go full-blown Venezuela.

You always seem to want to come back at me on this stuff with a point-by-point. All that tells me is that you didn't listen to or understand a ****ing thing I said.
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Yeah. I guess not. LOL

Biden could come up with a cure for cancer and it wouldn’t win over conservatives. Hell, just look at how they’ve rejected the Covid vaccine.

I’m grateful that Democrats have improved the lives of millions. He ACA as imperfect has it is has given millions health care that otherwise would’ve been ****ed. The goal shouldn’t be to win over deplorables who have no interest in being won over. The goal should be to improve the lives of those who reside in this country. Sadly, only One party works towards that.
 
The Thriller said:
. The goal shouldn’t be to win over deplorables who
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"The goal shouldn’t be to win over deplorables"

Can anyone tell me how starting a thread STRUCTLY to hate and be vile towards others every single post is #unity? I guarantee you that you can't. It's clear who the real divisive bigot(s) are here.
 
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The Thriller said:
Yeah. I guess not. LOL

Biden could come up with a cure for cancer and it wouldn’t win over conservatives. Hell, just look at how they’ve rejected the Covid vaccine.

I’m grateful that Democrats have improved the lives of millions. He ACA as imperfect has it is has given millions health care that otherwise would’ve been ****ed. The goal shouldn’t be to win over deplorables who have no interest in being won over. The goal should be to improve the lives of those who reside in this country. Sadly, only One party works towards that.
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Everyone knows Democrats shouldn't care about winning over conservatives. So, why do the Dems talk about compromise so often? Repubs will demonize them no matter what. So what's the downside of actually committing to doing things that actually help Americans to the fullest extent? Why do they tip-toe around and do the bare minimum (which of course is better than anything our repubs will do)? Because they're a controlled opposition, they're not there to actually govern effectively or improve lives. Their collective purpose is to extend the status quo and uphold capital. They also know that all they need to do to get elected is position themselves two steps to the left of the crazy-*** Republicans.

Every time something close to great is proposed, inevitably a Democrat spoiler is conveniently in place to ensure nothing drastic is passed. A Joe Manchin or a Joe Lieberman (who famously blocked the public option for Obamacare) will conveniently appear and demand that nothing good happens.

Caveat: There are individual democrats who are actually dope. None of them are given positions of prominence or pushed by the DNC. I wonder why? (I don't)

@Gameface is 100% correct. Unfortunately, to minimize harm we're always forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. not doing so would be morally reprehensible. But, none of us are happy about it. OK?
 

When Republican lawmakers and talking heads speak these days, this is what I hear:

“I HATE liberal cancel culture and believe in absolute free speech! I would also like to ban, do away with or silence Disney, NPR, Bud Light, the FBI and CIA, this big pile of books over here, M&Ms, Mr. Potatohead, college professors, any Democratic lawmaker I don’t want to hear speak, “wokeness,” any mention of diversity, drag shows, people who defend drag shows, people who defend people who defend drag shows, any mention whatsoever of the existence of LGBTQ people, this other big pile of books over here, the entire Department of Education, PBS and Oreos.”

Consider a recent comment from DeSantis when he was asked about the possibility of Elon Musk relocating Twitter’s headquarters to Florida: “You know, I know Elon Musk, and what I would tell him is like, ‘Ok, if you’re going to move Twitter to Florida, are you bringing woke employees to Florida or are you bringing just your people?’ If it’s just his people then it may be good.”

So the “woke” are unwelcome. People who disagree with DeSantis’ anti-woke stance — whatever that happens to be, since it changes from day to day — are unwelcome.

DeSantis continued to praise Musk’s attempts to de-woke-ify the social media platform: “So I really applaud him for taking on Twitter, trying to moor it back towards facts and truth and stop (parroting) the ideology and trying to censor beliefs that conflict with it.”

Allow me to translate that into English: DeSantis is glad Musk is silencing people he disagrees with because, in his mind, that will stop them from trying to censor things they believe are wrong.

It’s worth keeping in mind the things “the woke” at Twitter want to ban include: Nazis, bigots, misogynists, racists and others spouting violent rhetoric. That, by DeSantis’ logic, is bad. That stifles free speech. And the best way to stop that free-speech stifling is to silence “the woke” and not welcome them to your state.
 
Well!

It’s been nearly four years since Donald lost. And the central question of this thread still stands. What are Republicans doing to unite the country?

Policy wise, they’re torching American national security by helping Putin defeat Ukraine and holding up military promotions. And domestically, they’ve double and tripled down on Trump’s big lie and mindlessly culture wars (CRT! TRANS! POISIONING THE BLOOD! BOOK BANS!). In a few months, they’ll serve us the same vomit in 2024 that was defeated thoroughly in 2020.

On Christmas alone, Trump (predictably) on social media ranted all day conspiracies and grievances. And his loyal cult following tweeted out stuff like this:
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I truly hope that folks on this board think thoroughly about the type of country they want to live in. Do we really want four more years of this? What have Republicans done to deserve your vote? And why must we rely upon Democrats to act as the adults In the room constantly? Perhaps, it might be worth sending the GOP into the wilderness for a generation so the party reforms itself and purges the racists and nuts from its voting ranks? Some Americans deserve to remain without a political party (or at least, powerless within one instead of being in charge of it).

Trump now talks about being a dictator without any shame or hesitation. Is a dictatorship what you want to live under?
 
The first Roman emperors were given power in a time of emergency, to unify the country, and to quiet any dissent in a difficult time. It was meant to be short-term, not even a full generation, until they refused to give up the crown. Removing all dissent is never the answer. It will inevitably lead to exactly what we claim to want to avoid, just from the other end of the spectrum. The only thing worse than a 2-party system is a 1-party system. We must compete on ideas and ideals and not in forced removal of one party or another. If that's the goal then that's the same goal shared by every dictator that ever lived. A dictator is still a dictator even if you agree with their position.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The first Roman emperors were given power in a time of emergency, to unify the country, and to quiet any dissent in a difficult time. It was meant to be short-term, not even a full generation, until they refused to give up the crown. Removing all dissent is never the answer. It will inevitably lead to exactly what we claim to want to avoid, just from the other end of the spectrum. The only thing worse than a 2-party system is a 1-party system. We must compete on ideas and ideals and not in forced removal of one party or another. If that's the goal then that's the same goal shared by every dictator that ever lived. A dictator is still a dictator even if you agree with their position.
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When have republicans attempted to compete in the marketplace of ideas?

Xenophobia, nostalgia, and fantasizing about jailing or killing your opponents are party platforms.

The only way this political party gets fixed, is for them to lose power for longer. Traditionally, this has meant losing 3 straight cycles. Yet, that’s happened already 18, 20, and 22 and nothing has changed. If anything, they’re running even more hateful, disgusting, and extreme candidates and messages. I hope that defeating them again in 24 will incentivize them to change. Although, I now have my doubts. And you can’t keep expecting Democrats alone to keep the illiberal forces at bay. Sadly, we’re seeing this play out right now for Israel and Ukraine. Both are being hurt because Republicans in the House refuse to govern.

You can’t have democracy when one party refuses to:

1. Accept election outcomes.
2. Accept that losing happens. The appropriate response to losing is changing candidates and policies, not wrecking the capitol, spreading lies about how the election was stolen, or repressing the vote.
3. Call out anti-democratic forces within their party.
4. Attempt to govern responsibly. Non stop messaging bills and the inability to compromise kills democracy. Sadly, right now, House leadership cannot compromise or they’ll risk being kicked out of leadership by the suicide caucus of Gaetz.

On #3, you’re seeing this a little bit now with Liz Cheney and Paul Ryan, who recently spoke out against Trump. Wished they had done this together in 2016, then we could’ve avoided a lot of this. But it’s better late than never.
On #4, I’m not sure our situation has ever been worse. The House isn’t going to accomplish anything until Democrats retake the House this November. Which means Israel, Ukraine, etc are going to be stuck in a terrible situation.
 
The Thriller said:
4. Attempt to govern responsibly. Non stop messaging bills and the inability to compromise kills democracy. Sadly, right now, House leadership cannot compromise or they’ll risk being kicked out of leadership by the suicide caucus of Gaetz.

On #4, I’m not sure our situation has ever been worse. The House isn’t going to accomplish anything until Democrats retake the House this November. Which means Israel, Ukraine, etc are going to be stuck in a terrible situation.
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Mike Johnson is actually trying to do the latter, and succeeding to a greater degree than McCarthy. Minimal credit is due.
 
This is trumps legacy: https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-sour-primary-election-process-051646937.html

About one-third of Republicans say they have a “great deal” or “quite a bit” of confidence that votes in the Republican primary elections and caucuses will be counted correctly. About three in 10 Republicans report a “moderate” amount of confidence, and 32% say they have “only a little” or “none at all.” In contrast, 72% of Democrats have high confidence their party will count votes accurately in its primary contests. Democrats are also slightly more likely than Republicans to have a high level of confidence in the Republican Party’s vote count being accurate.

Republicans continue to be broadly doubtful about votes being counted accurately — in the early contests or beyond them. About one-quarter of Republicans say they have at least “quite a bit” of confidence that the votes in the 2024 presidential election will be counted accurately, significantly lower than Democrats.

The skepticism among Republicans comes after years of former President Donald Trump falsely blaming his 2020 loss on election fraud. Federal and state election officials and Trump’s own attorney general have said there is no credible evidence the election was tainted. The former president's allegations of fraud were also roundly rejected by courts, including by judges Trump appointed.
“Nothing will be fair because the last election was rigged,” said Julie Duggan, 32, of Chicago, a Trump voter, referring to 2020. “I don't trust any of them at this point.”


Good job trump.
 
fishonjazz said:
This is trumps legacy: https://www.yahoo.com/news/americans-sour-primary-election-process-051646937.html

About one-third of Republicans say they have a “great deal” or “quite a bit” of confidence that votes in the Republican primary elections and caucuses will be counted correctly. About three in 10 Republicans report a “moderate” amount of confidence, and 32% say they have “only a little” or “none at all.” In contrast, 72% of Democrats have high confidence their party will count votes accurately in its primary contests. Democrats are also slightly more likely than Republicans to have a high level of confidence in the Republican Party’s vote count being accurate.

Republicans continue to be broadly doubtful about votes being counted accurately — in the early contests or beyond them. About one-quarter of Republicans say they have at least “quite a bit” of confidence that the votes in the 2024 presidential election will be counted accurately, significantly lower than Democrats.

The skepticism among Republicans comes after years of former President Donald Trump falsely blaming his 2020 loss on election fraud. Federal and state election officials and Trump’s own attorney general have said there is no credible evidence the election was tainted. The former president's allegations of fraud were also roundly rejected by courts, including by judges Trump appointed.
“Nothing will be fair because the last election was rigged,” said Julie Duggan, 32, of Chicago, a Trump voter, referring to 2020. “I don't trust any of them at this point.”


Good job trump.
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Yes, I blame Trump for inflicting very serious damage on our body politic by planting this seed of distrust of our elections, which will likely never recede, at least not in a foreseeable future. That clearly is a very negative and damaging legacy. If nothing else, it’s bound to increase the number of citizens that simply skip voting at all, if they believe the “fraud” makes voting pointless. And it will lead to repeated claims of fraud in any close future election. It helps foster the climate in which the opposite side is seen as dangerous domestic enemies. It helps create that climate in which we see our fellow citizens as the “enemies of our nation”. And helping foster that is about the worse thing a president could do to our body politic, a legacy that instead clearly paints Trump as our “body politic public enemy #1”. No wonder Putin wanted to help him…..
 
Red said:
Yes, I blame Trump for inflicting very serious damage on our body politic by planting this seed of distrust of our elections, which will likely never recede, at least not in a foreseeable future. That clearly is a very negative and damaging legacy. If nothing else, it’s bound to increase the number of citizens that simply skip voting at all, if they believe the “fraud” makes voting pointless. And it will lead to repeated claims of fraud in any close future election. It helps foster the climate in which the opposite side is seen as dangerous domestic enemies. It helps create that climate in which we see our fellow citizens as the “enemies of our nation”. And helping foster that is about the worse thing a president could do to our body politic, a legacy that instead clearly paints Trump as our “body politic public enemy #1”. No wonder Putin wanted to help him…..
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Not just distrust in elections but also distrust in science, medical experts, teachers, justice system, media, law enforcement, etc etc.

Trump has basically tried to sew doubt in anything and everything so that He is the only one who can be trusted.
 
fishonjazz said:
The skepticism among Republicans comes after years of former President Donald Trump falsely blaming his 2020 loss on election fraud.
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Technically true I guess. The poll measuring skepticism did happen on a later date, but the authors are smart enough to have not said that one caused the other. It is incontestable reality that more voting laws were changed in 2020, with the COVID pandemic being the excuse, than in any year in the past 150. It is those changes that many are pointing to when they say the post-COVID voting system tilts the playing field to a degree that they don't believe elections are actually free and fair any longer.

www.theamericanconservative.com

How Mass Mail-In Voting Changes Everything

When the emphasis in elections shifts from turning out conventional in-person voters to chasing mail-in ballots, we have entered a qualitatively different electoral world than the one we inhabited before.
www.theamericanconservative.com www.theamericanconservative.com
 
Red said:
Yes, I blame Trump for inflicting very serious damage on our body politic by planting this seed of distrust of our elections, which will likely never recede, at least not in a foreseeable future. That clearly is a very negative and damaging legacy. If nothing else, it’s bound to increase the number of citizens that simply skip voting at all, if they believe the “fraud” makes voting pointless. And it will lead to repeated claims of fraud in any close future election. It helps foster the climate in which the opposite side is seen as dangerous domestic enemies. It helps create that climate in which we see our fellow citizens as the “enemies of our nation”. And helping foster that is about the worse thing a president could do to our body politic, a legacy that instead clearly paints Trump as our “body politic public enemy #1”. No wonder Putin wanted to help him…..
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Are we seeing candidates from any other party tweet out pictures of their political opponents hanging from nooses? Under Trump, it has become fashionable to be mean, cruel, and say bat **** crazy things.
 
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