Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think trading up is realistic. I love Walker but I'm not sure I love him enough vs what would be available at 9 plus whatever else we would have to give up.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I don't think trading up is realistic. I love Walker but I'm not sure I love him enough vs what would be available at 9 plus whatever else we would have to give up.

I think it’s super realistic but Walker is 9th on my big board so I hope we wouldn’t trade up for him.

 

[gomretat]

It really isn't and history is starting to really be on the side of the big star trades not working out and being a huge win for the team getting the picks and players. Clearing the amount of space, getting the players we did, and the enormous amount of picks is a risk adverse strategy... its diversifying the portfolio.


There are like 5-7 teams that have hamstrung themselves with this logic. Soooo many teams move to the all-in group that moving the other direction was the smart move. This isn't hindsight either... I was on this corner before the Mavs series.


It was timed perfectly. Both of those guys are worth less than what we sold them for.


Its not a yard sale if you sell your **** for 150% of what you bought it for... that's the difference.


Again if its Lauri for #3... a deal I think Porty would do... Its a no thanks from me. If its Lauri for #3+Simons+picks.... at some point as much as you don't want to do it... its the smarter bet.

The much better route would be to keep Lauri and build around him and Kessler and use some of our draft capital to move up or just hope to hit home runs in the draft/FA. But if the front office doesn't think that can get done AND there are no sellers (Toronto, Brooklyn, etc.) there may end up being a super premium. I love my house but if someone offers me 150% of what FMV should be I will be calling the movers.

Not sure what trading for big stars has to do with my argument but I would simply say there are smart ways to do so and dumb ways and the majority of the recent ones were acts of desperation, which is never good. And your logic works if and only if you dont believe you could have built successfully around a proven piece that we already have. I think we could have been very successful doing so and what we got for each piece proves it. And if were weren't retooling we could have gotten a lot more out of the dumb trades we did that would not have been needed or could have landed us something real. You can like the approach all you want but as one who consults with companies on business models calling this diversifying the portfolio makes no sense to me. We went all in on our view of unproven talent. Rebuilding is sometimes needed but doing it in a way that is self inflicted is risky which is exactly what we did. Every year we miss the playoffs it is because we chose to do so, not because we needed to. Hope it works out and happy to agree to disagree on how we got here. At least when kcgar from the Jazz FO disagrees with me I know I am on the right track. I am guessing he likes the horrible jerseys we now have.

 

[default]

If we trade up I hope it’s not for Walker.

100% agree. It would be for Cam or a Thompson unless somehow a miracle happened and Scoot or Miller fell to #5.

 

[Swuul]

Jared Bulter would like a word. You also forgot Melo hung all those banners too.

Saying Lauri will go God mode like Jimmy in the playoffs is a guess... I hope its right.

Funny thing, that God mode. On the official FIBA site they say "Lauri Markkanen played as if he'd descended from heaven." He played on a different level, personally dragging one of the worst teams in the tournament to the quarter finals.

Finland geared up for World Cup after being drawn in 'Group of Death'

HELSINKI (Finland) - Instead of quaking in their boots after landing in a "group of death" at the FIBA Basketball World Cup 2023 Draw in Manila, Finland are rejoicing.

www.fiba.basketball

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not sure what trading for big stars has to do with my argument but I would simply say there are smart ways to do so and dumb ways and the majority of the recent ones were acts of desperation, which is never good.

And that is exactly the scenario I would look to take advantage of here... if it came up. I brought it up as more often than not teams would prefer the incoming pieces to the outgoing star in hindsight.

And your logic works if and only if you dont believe you could have built successfully around a proven piece that we already have. I think we could have been very successful doing so and what we got for each piece proves it.

We could have retooled... but the same folks that can't comprehend the rebuilding effort and selling off good players for assets would also be puzzled at breaking up a star duo.

And if were weren't retooling we could have gotten a lot more out of the dumb trades we did that would not have been needed or could have landed us something real. You can like the approach all you want but as one who consults with companies on business models calling this diversifying the portfolio makes no sense to me. We went all in on our view of unproven talent.

We broke up single assets with huge liabilities attached to them for baskets of assets - players, picks, prospects, cap flexibility. Makes a ton of sense.

Rebuilding is sometimes needed but doing it in a way that is self inflicted is risky which is exactly what we did.

Waiting to rebuild when its fairly obvious it needs to happen helps reduce the amount of pain you will endure. Its riskier to wait a year too long and have a contract look like a millstone rather than an asset. We had a ripe environment with lots of buyers. "self inflicted" rebuilding could also be called proactive rebuilding.

Every year we miss the playoffs it is because we chose to do so, not because we needed to.

I guess... but if we are retooling we likely do a different Rudy or Don trade that isn't future facing... so maybe you do a worse deal and end up missing the playoffs and the assets. Honestly we could have made the playoffs this year if we wanted to... I think we make the play in next year. One year out of the playoffs is worth what we have on the ledger now.

Hope it works out and happy to agree to disagree on how we got here. At least when kcgar from the Jazz FO disagrees with me I know I am on the right track. I am guessing he likes the horrible jerseys we now have.

Clear that we disagree and I'm fine with that. @kcgar is a hero

 

[infection]

And that is exactly the scenario I would look to take advantage of here... if it came up. I brought it up as more often than not teams would prefer the incoming pieces to the outgoing star in hindsight.


We could have retooled... but the same folks that can't comprehend the rebuilding effort and selling off good players for assets would also be puzzled at breaking up a star duo.


We broke up single assets with huge liabilities attached to them for baskets of assets - players, picks, prospects, cap flexibility. Makes a ton of sense.


Waiting to rebuild when its fairly obvious it needs to happen helps reduce the amount of pain you will endure. Its riskier to wait a year too long and have a contract look like a millstone rather than an asset. We had a ripe environment with lots of buyers. "self inflicted" rebuilding could also be called proactive rebuilding.


I guess... but if we are retooling we likely do a different Rudy or Don trade that isn't future facing... so maybe you do a worse deal and end up missing the playoffs and the assets. Honestly we could have made the playoffs this year if we wanted to... I think we make the play in next year. One year out of the playoffs is worth what we have on the ledger now.


Clear that we disagree and I'm fine with that. @kcgar is a hero

All this talk of retooling has put only one thought in my head.



It would be like a Metallica sequel.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Funny thing, that God mode. On the official FIBA site they say "Lauri Markkanen played as if he'd descended from heaven." He played on a different level, personally dragging one of the worst teams in the tournament to the quarter finals.

Finland geared up for World Cup after being drawn in 'Group of Death'

HELSINKI (Finland) - Instead of quaking in their boots after landing in a "group of death" at the FIBA Basketball World Cup 2023 Draw in Manila, Finland are rejoicing.

www.fiba.basketball

And that is great... and its not far off what he did in the NBA... just don't think its an indicator of future NBA playoff performance. If he is 10% better in the playoffs than in the regular season then that's amazing.

Article also stated he was one of the biggest stars in the NBA... I hope that is true as well.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We also seen what happens in a half *** retool vs a rebuild.

 

[infection]

We also seen what happens in a half *** retool vs a rebuild.

Don’t just load.




Reload.



Overload.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I love the hypothetical Detroit trade. I would take Jarace Walker. Durable, better body type to match Lauri..good long-term match. Great ball mover and the front court terrorizes the league. Then I would trade 16 and 28 to find a nother good wing player, i.e., Bilal.

And finally I would try to buy back in the 2nd round for Isiah Wong for a quality point guard according to the advanced stats. Not super star but very efficient productive and can play in the league. Otherwise look for a Gleague scrub.

This would be a great balanced team..just need the Conley sauve/grit..

Dunn/Wong/THT
Jordan/Sexton/Bilal
Lauri/Fontechio
Jarace/Gay
Kessler/Jones/Dok

Lol, you have THT third string behind some second round rookie?? That’s cute.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Lauri for Shaedon Sharpe and the top 3 pick maybe makes our timelines match. I bet Ainge would want another pick and I wouldn't blame him for not doing it without an unprotected 2028 First Round Pick.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

And honestly, if we moved up for the 3rd pick, then I would trade the 3rd to Detroit for the 5th plus an asset so they can get Scoot. We end up with Amen or Cam Whitmore and we are happy with either.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

Ugh........... please don't remind me of the beginning of Metallica's dumpster era. Talk about downgrade.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

All this talk of retooling has put only one thought in my head.

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It would be like a Metallica sequel.

What a tool he was.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I love the hypothetical Detroit trade. I would take Jarace Walker. Durable, better body type to match Lauri..good long-term match. Great ball mover and the front court terrorizes the league. Then I would trade 16 and 28 to find a nother good wing player, i.e., Bilal.

And finally I would try to buy back in the 2nd round for Isiah Wong for a quality point guard according to the advanced stats. Not super star but very efficient productive and can play in the league. Otherwise look for a Gleague scrub.

This would be a great balanced team..just need the Conley sauve/grit..

Dunn/Wong/THT
Jordan/Sexton/Bilal
Lauri/Fontechio
Jarace/Gay
Kessler/Jones/Dok

You sure have dunn that wong.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And honestly, if we moved up for the 3rd pick, then I would trade the 3rd to Detroit for the 5th plus an asset so they can get Scoot. We end up with Amen or Cam Whitmore and we are happy with either.

Scoot gonna be a boss though.

 

[oldtimer]

What if, I'm not saying we SHOULD... Ainge decides to trade Lauri for the 4th pick and also trades 9, 28, and future 1st rd for the 6th. Then Ainge focuses on drafting the Thompson twins at 4th and 6th, thus making the Thompson twins and Kessler the main core for the Jazz. I've seen fan trades like this recently. Thoughts?

stop being a jazz fan.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

Why do some of y’all have to be such dicks on a message board or whatever

You see a person's unfiltered self on forums. People generally suck.

 

[gomretat]

And that is exactly the scenario I would look to take advantage of here... if it came up. I brought it up as more often than not teams would prefer the incoming pieces to the outgoing star in hindsight.


We could have retooled... but the same folks that can't comprehend the rebuilding effort and selling off good players for assets would also be puzzled at breaking up a star duo.


We broke up single assets with huge liabilities attached to them for baskets of assets - players, picks, prospects, cap flexibility. Makes a ton of sense.


Waiting to rebuild when its fairly obvious it needs to happen helps reduce the amount of pain you will endure. Its riskier to wait a year too long and have a contract look like a millstone rather than an asset. We had a ripe environment with lots of buyers. "self inflicted" rebuilding could also be called proactive rebuilding.


I guess... but if we are retooling we likely do a different Rudy or Don trade that isn't future facing... so maybe you do a worse deal and end up missing the playoffs and the assets. Honestly we could have made the playoffs this year if we wanted to... I think we make the play in next year. One year out of the playoffs is worth what we have on the ledger now.


Clear that we disagree and I'm fine with that. @kcgar is a hero

First no one is a hero that only dislikes stuff. It takes less thought to simply dislike things than any other reaction, especially without making any contribution. And what can I say, some people like to win and some people like to lose and get excited about draft picks . If this is a one year hiatus that will be good. We could have been very competitive this year with different decisions but if one year off is all it takes to get back at least we are not OKC. It is amazing to me how many suggestions on this board are more around acquiring more assets than acquiring talent and winning. As you said, we got lucky with Lauri and Walker so hopefully that bodes well.