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seattlejazzfan said:
Cam Whitmore saying Jordan Hawkins was the toughest player to defend and video of him and his teammates trying to defend JH


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Having a movement shooter is very valuable. You will have to run actions to get him open... your whole offense doesn't have to be setup to get him free... you can run certain actions all within the other stuff you are doing. As a spot up guy he will be fine too. Where hawkins may end up different than say Duncan Robinson... is that off of those actions you can dribble or change your route and do other stuff than just shoot. Robinson gets loose for a few layups every game... Hawkins should do that plus more if he realizes his potential. He also might be able to go more on ball than he showed.

He plays good defense but has some physical limitations. I just think he could be one of those guys viewed as "safe" and because he's "safe" he has low upside. I think he has quite a bit of upside if things break right for him. His stock sliding into the 20s is a little silly given what we are seeing in the playoffs and finals.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Would you rather have a player who shot 38% from 3, but the majority of their makes and attempts came from the corner, or would you rather have a 33% shooter who converted 38% of their above the break 3's, but struggled to an unusual degree from the corners?

Because the corner shot is generally regarded as the easiest, and if a player has exhibited the ability to make the tougher shots, the common sense take would be that you can more easily teach a player to be proficient in the easier shot than you can the harder shot.

Combine that with the player being proficient in the mid-range on difficult shots, this is the profile of a good shooter who can easily scale up with reps. Shows how powerful narrative are in regards to prospects. Someone saw JHS, labeled him a bad shooter and it stuck despite it being pretty far from the truth. The bummer with JHS is that he has a small sample size on his FT attempts (litterally if you take out the first game of the season where he went 1/4 he becomes an 81% FT shooter, just to show how small the sample is). If he was an 80%+ FT shooter on more attempts I'd feel more confident in projecting his shooting growth, but it isnt so there is still somewhat a question as there is with most prospects.
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What if its the rest of the game I have questions about? I wish the shooting was better since the other stuff is iffy too.

JHS is fine at 16 though I'd go another route most likely. At 9 I think its super dumb and I'm just not convinced at all that he is in consideration there. I think we take a wing/forward at 9 or one of the other pgs (wallace/Black/Bufkin?). If we are sweet on JHS I'd hope we'd be patient or move back. DA is probably one of the best at predicting how other teams will operate on draft night so I trust him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Having a movement shooter is very valuable. You will have to run actions to get him open... your whole offense doesn't have to be setup to get him free... you can run certain actions all within the other stuff you are doing. As a spot up guy he will be fine too. Where hawkins may end up different than say Duncan Robinson... is that off of those actions you can dribble or change your route and do other stuff than just shoot. Robinson gets loose for a few layups every game... Hawkins should do that plus more if he realizes his potential. He also might be able to go more on ball than he showed.

He plays good defense but has some physical limitations. I just think he could be one of those guys viewed as "safe" and because he's "safe" he has low upside. I think he has quite a bit of upside if things break right for him. His stock sliding into the 20s is a little silly given what we are seeing in the playoffs and finals.
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agree with everything here. well said.

my only minor quibble is that he will be more than fine as a spot up shooter. he's only known as a movement shooter, because he had to always be on the move in order to get open with defenses keyed in on him. as a spot up shooter, on those rare occasions he was left open, he was deadly.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
What if its the rest of the game I have questions about? I wish the shooting was better since the other stuff is iffy too.
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Just simply talking shooting and all it's forms (pull up, mid-range, 3pt, off the catch, movement, ft, etc).

I just think it's simply BS that anyone is labeling JHS a "bad" shooter. Not to say he is great or elite, but the indicators are clearly there that he is capable and it shouldn't be viewed as a negative.
 
seattlejazzfan said:

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That shot is just beautiful

Also, one of the things i hated most about playing defense is chasing guys without the ball through screens. That **** drives defenders crazy. I bet dudes will hate guarding him if he is running around a lot without the ball.

I bet he draws a lot of fouls on nba three point attempts as well.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
agree with everything here. my only minor quibble is that he will be more than fine as a spot up shooter. he's only known as a movement shooter, because he had to always be on the move in order to get open with defenses keyed in on him. as a spot up shooter, on those rare occasions he was left open, he was deadly.
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Right... I meant it like he will be valuable. Guys obviously won't stray far from him. It was more a comment like... if he is mostly a spot up shooter because you don't run a ton of actions for him. Not sure if Cy was trying to knock him with the movement shooter comment he had earlier... the movement shooting is a big benefit on top of his spot up. Running actions for him is a blessing not a curse. Again not sure if that was what was meant. To fully realize his value you will need to run some of those actions. Teams playing in the finals right now definitely are doing some of the stuff that would make him valuable. Was trying to convey it is a good option and not an obligation... and even if you view it as an obligation... its not necessary for him to be good.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Just simply talking shooting and all it's forms (pull up, mid-range, 3pt, off the catch, movement, ft, etc).

I just think it's simply BS that anyone is labeling JHS a "bad" shooter. Not to say he is great or elite, but the indicators are clearly there that he is capable and it shouldn't be viewed as a negative.
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I'd label him an inefficient scorer more than a bad shooter. Its that he doesn't get to the rim or foul line and his shot profile is bad. He'd have to be insanely good to make his shot profile efficient... and he was fine.

I just think at #9 its an obvious reach but we will see.
 
Tim Cato from The Athletic:

Dallas is currently committed to $108.7 million in player contracts next season, which would rise near that dreaded second apron (projected to be $179.5 million) if Irving is re-signed at the max. It’s why the team’s summer rebuild must begin with players like Hardaway and Bertāns being shipped out to make room for further moves, and why the No. 10 pick is almost certainly going to be dealt — quite possibly with Bertāns’ contract attached to it — while the team prefers keeping Green and Hardy, two players on rookie-scale contracts who can provide rotation minutes next season.
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This is where we come in.

10 + Bertans for 16
 
Elizah Huge said:
What if Dallas wanted us to take Bertans and THJ salary with 10 attached but we keep 16?
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I might do it... THJ is fine when healthy... still overpaid but not crazy and I could see a team giving up an expiring later in the year as everyone needs shooting. Just not sure what the other trade up options and cap space options are so its tough to say yes right now. In a vacuum... I'd do it probably.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I might do it... THJ is fine when healthy... still overpaid but not crazy and I could see a team giving up an expiring later in the year as everyone needs shooting. Just not sure what the other trade up options and cap space options are so its tough to say yes right now. In a vacuum... I'd do it probably.
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I would do it as well. We could throw Gay in there too I’m sure.
 
Elizah Huge said:
THJ salary actually declines every year. It’s 17.9M this year and 16.2M next year.
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Guys like him oscillate in value wildly too. I could see him having an awesome 35 games for us being healthy and then a team offering up a minor asset and an expiring to add a shooter.

Bertans deal is bad and he's basically a end of bench, injury fill in guy. Just gonna have to ride that one out... Its a ton of flexibility to give up, but its a high level pick and we might end up signing a bad deal in FA anyway.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Guys like him oscillate in value wildly too. I could see him having an awesome 35 games for us being healthy and then a team offering up a minor asset and an expiring to add a shooter.

Bertans deal is bad and he's basically a end of bench, injury fill in guy. Just gonna have to ride that one out... Its a ton of flexibility to give up, but its a high level pick and we might end up signing a bad deal in FA anyway.
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Bertans is only 5M guaranteed next year though so basically an expiring.
 
New ESPN/DX mock from Givony and Woo where they alternate picks based on best fit and then one alternating picks with BPA.

Best fit mock:

1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Scoot
4. Ausar
5. Jarace
6. Dick
7. Black
8. Amen
9. Whitmore
10. Hendricks
11. Hawkins
12. Bilal
13. Cason
14. JHS
15. Jett
16. NSJ
17. Bufkin
18. Rupert
19. Nnaji
20. Sensabaugh
21. Clowney
22. George
23. Murray
24. Podz
25. Jacquez
26. Lively
27. Jones
28. TJD
29. Sasser
30. Brown

BPA mock:

1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Scoot
4. Amen
5. Whitmore
6. Ausar
7. Black
8. Jarace
9. Hendricks
10. Dick
11. Bilal
12. NSJ
13. Cason
14. JHS
15. Clowney
16. Jett
17. George
18. Rupert
19. Hawkins
20. Sensabaugh
21. Nnaji
22. Hawkins
23. Jacquez
24. Whitehead
25. Murray
26. Lively
27. Podz
28. Lewis
29. Jones
30. OMP
 
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