2023 NBA Draft Megathread

[NUMBERICA]

They would... Haliburton's floor is an AS pg... his ceiling is an All-NBA pg. This is one of the dumber takes here.

Especially rich coming from the guy that was seemingly obsessed with how “small” Cason Wallace is and how that size puts an absolute ceiling on a player to be saying that Scoot (basically Cason’s size) is basically a lock to be better than Halliburton (who is the size of a wing).

 

[NUMBERICA]

Well "swings" should be measured on who you passed on more than anything, not necessarily the #.

The number boils down what you’re passing on. But let’s do it your way: Who were the obvious stars being passed over for Luka, Jokic, Kawhi, or whoever?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

For every Kawhi there is 50 Chris Singleton’s and for every Giannis there is a 50 Thon Maker’s.

Sure, the odds may be low, but that doesn't change the fact that a team needs to try and draft those players. You simply need to have a transcendent player if you want to win. Maybe the Jazz have decided that they're going to acquire a disgruntled superstar via trade whether that player wants to come here or not. That's another approach. That has its risks as well.

But put another way, let's say the Jazz take Taylor Hendricks in this draft. He works out fine and becomes something like Jerami Grant, Robert Covington, or in a better-case scenario, he's like Trey Murphy.

In the grand scheme of things, so what? He's like your third or fourth guy. The Jazz give those types of guys away all the time now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The number boils down what you’re passing on. But let’s do it your way: Who were the obvious stars being passed over for Luka, Jokic, Kawhi, or whoever?

I'm not commenting on them specifically or trying to refute anything, just that in general a "swing" is more about who you're passing on.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well "swings" should be measured on who you passed on more than anything, not necessarily the #.

No one in the second round is a big swing... Luka was about as sure a thing as there ever was.... Kawhi was expected to go around #5 in his draft... maybe that is a swing but where he was drafted that was another safe pick. When I think of big swings I think more of Jaylen Brown, Dragan Bender, Paul George, Dante Exum, Scottie Barnes, etc.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No one in the second round is a big swing... Luka was about as sure a thing as there ever was.... Kawhi was expected to go around #5 in his draft... maybe that is a swing but where he was drafted that was another safe pick. When I think of big swings I think more of Jaylen Brown, Dragan Bender, Paul George, Dante Exum, Scottie Barnes, etc.

I think it's kind of hard to say these things in hindsight. In hindsight we know how everything played out, so nothing is going to seem all that risky.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Especially rich coming from the guy that was seemingly obsessed with how “small” Cason Wallace is and how that size puts an absolute ceiling on a player to be saying that Scoot (basically Cason’s size) is basically a lock to be better than Halliburton (who is the size of a wing).

With Cason Wallace, there is a combination of factors, including that he's small, that he isn't very dynamic or explosive offensively, and that his calling card is lock-down defense, which doesn't add up to him being a top 10 pick in my eyes.

In any case, you're pretty obtuse and bi-polar, so I'm putting you on ignore.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Halliburton is incredibly good at basketball.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think it's kind of hard to say these things in hindsight. In hindsight we know how everything played out, so nothing is going to seem all that risky.

It was absurd that Luka wasn't the consensus #1 pick... said it at the time... taking him at #3 isn't a big swing... The Hawks taking Trae was a big swing imo.

Jokic was a second round pick...in a draft where we sold a pick for cash... that wasn't a swing at all. Kawhi maybe... but again his consensus was way higher than where he was taken. I wouldn't call it a big swing.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Dude just went 21/10 on insane efficiency and we are like "if you can't lead Nesmith and Jalen Smith to the playoffs are you even good?"

They tanked their asses off to get where they did... If Tyrese was for sale everyone from the second pick on would take that no questions asked.

No doubt about it. i'm the biggest b miller homer on this board and while i think his ceiling might be higher (and i emphasize might) than Haliburton, Haliburton is about 95th percentile outcome for B Miller. iow, the chances b miller is better than haliburton are miniscule even in my b miller homer mind. that's a trade you make 10/10. scoot too, of course.

 

[NUMBERICA]

With Cason Wallace, there is a combination of factors, including that he's small, that he isn't very dynamic or explosive offensively, and that his calling card is lock-down defense, which doesn't add up to him being a top 10 pick in my eyes.

In any case, you're pretty obtuse and bi-polar, so I'm putting you on ignore.

Just highlighting how bad your takes are, but I’m not saying anything you aren’t.

Enjoy your vacation from one of several people exposing you.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Sure, the odds may be low, but that doesn't change the fact that a team needs to try and draft those player. You simply need to have a transcendent player if you want to win. Maybe the Jazz have decided that they're going to acquire a disgruntled superstar via trade whether that player wants to come here or not. That's another approach. That has its risks as well.

But put another way, let's say the Jazz take Taylor Hendricks in this draft. He works out fine and becomes something like Jerami Grant, Robert Covington, or in a better-case scenario, he's like Trey Murphy.

In the grand scheme of things, so what? He's like your third or fourth guy. The Jazz give those types of guys away all the time now.

Who at 9 would be a swing type of pick for you?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm not commenting on them specifically or trying to refute anything, just that in general a "swing" is more about who you're passing on.

I think its just as much about the certainty on a particular player. Guys with mystery surrounding them are more of a "swing" imo. Guys that could end up being AS or out of the league are swings... I'd say anyone drafted after 20 isn't a big swing at all since the risk reward isn't all that risky. Its more taking a flier at that point.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Who at 9 would be a swing type of pick for you?

I would pay to trade up for Cam Whitmore even if it were a bit expensive. If I'm at #9, I'd probably go ahead and take Bilal and hope he develops the ability to shoot off the bounce.

The combination of age, athleticism, prototypical measurables, rapid improvement, and flashes of putting it together make Bilal a difficult prospect to pass on.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I think its just as much about the certainty on a particular player. Guys with mystery surrounding them are more of a "swing" imo. Guys that could end up being AS or out of the league are swings... I'd say anyone drafted after 20 isn't a big swing at all since the risk reward isn't all that risky. Its more taking a flier at that point.

Taking Josh Primo at 12 last year was a huge swing and miss. That is the type of pick I would call a swing. Taking Bilal at 9 this year would be a swing and a swing I don’t want to make.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I would pay to trade up for Cam Whitmore even if it were a bit expensive. If I'm at #9, I'd probably go ahead and take Bilal and hope he develops the ability to shoot off the bounce.

For every Giannis there is 50 Bilal Coulibaly’s…

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think it's kind of hard to say these things in hindsight. In hindsight we know how everything played out, so nothing is going to seem all that risky.

I don’t think any of that is actually hindsight, though. To test, who was surprised that Luka, Jokic, or Kawhi went as EARLY as they did (I can think of literally 0 ever)? That’s what a swing is.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sure, the odds may be low, but that doesn't change the fact that a team needs to try and draft those player. You simply need to have a transcendent player if you want to win. Maybe the Jazz have decided that they're going to acquire a disgruntled superstar via trade whether that player wants to come here or not. That's another approach. That has its risks as well.

But put another way, let's say the Jazz take Taylor Hendricks in this draft. He works out fine and becomes something like Jerami Grant, Robert Covington, or in a better-case scenario, he's like Trey Murphy.

In the grand scheme of things, so what? He's like your third or fourth guy. The Jazz give those types of guys away all the time now.

Then you have another great building block... also his ceiling may surprise you... like the 10 or so other names we've already thrown out. Mikal Bridges was a key to getting the KD trade done... there is tremendous value in building out the asset base of the team. Maybe they are the linchpin to doing a star trade.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Halliburton is incredibly good at basketball.

Better than anyone we have had on our team in the last two years+.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Taking Josh Primo at 12 last year was a huge swing and miss. That is the type of pick I would call a swing. Taking Bilal at 9 this year would be a swing and a swing I don’t want to make.

And I actually think there are maybe like 10+ examples of guys where people were like "well that's a meh low upside pick" that ended up flipping around and looking damn smart.