2023 Trade Rumors and Gossip Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

If you want to evaluate a player, you need to evaluate him individually. Whether someone else from the league was a bust isn't relevant.

It’s hard to get a true evaluation without considering who they are playing against… it’s a completely relevant data point to consider.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Lol dude math must not be your best subject. I have even listed half of the French busts who have been drafted.

You must have skipped your lessons statistical validity and statistical significance.

 

[Elizah Huge]

You must have skipped your lessons statistical validity and statistical significance.

You must have skipped English class because I have no idea what you just typed.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

You must have skipped English class because I have no idea what you just typed.

Alright then, I'll let you go.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Alright then, I'll let you go.

I’m hitting the hay. Have a good rest of your night man no hard feelings. Deep down you know I’m right though.

 

[KqWIN]

This French league thing is kinda strange to me. French players were good and then they weren’t. Does that not show that one generation of players has no impact on the next? These players are all individuals and have their own development. This should be obvious, Wemby is coming from the French league lol.

What you can do is try to put numbers/production into context. That’s fair game to me, but when it comes to Bilal….I don’t really think anyone is intrigued by him because he was averaging 5/3/1 lol. Maybe some of the GG teflon folks have tried to make every negative a positive thing with Bilal…but I don’t feel like Bilal’s case as a prospect hinges on his production. His production is very low, there’s a reason why I say he’s Exum-ish.

If Bilal’s lack of production is what scares you off, I don’t really blame you. To each their own…but understand that his statistical production isn’t really the appeal for him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah, if only Franz, Poole, THJ, Robinson, LeVert, etc. weren’t all in the league, sure. Good one Cy. You’re a genius.

Why do you act like such a petulant child if someone suggest someone you don't like might get drafted ?

 

[Miggs]

Once Wembanayma joins Rudy Gobert as an All NBA-level player, that French league will have a better track record for producing All NBA talent per on a per-draftee basis than the NCAA and P5. That's like 20% of NBA prospects from France making All NBA. Maybe more if we go back and include Tony Parker.

It's a logical fallacy to say that players from the French A league are more likely to bust than the average NBA player drafted at their draft position, and then site a sample of 6 or 8 players in the last 10 years. That just isn't a basis for evaluating players.

Your argument is based off of that sample size? Stop it, sir.

 

[Miggs]

Check my post history. I've been saying for months now that Doncic has been Ainge's priority all along. There's footage of Ainge talking and laughing with Luka during warm-ups prior to the All Star game. Luka conveys his discontent and drops rumors he may request out. Ainge seeks out every deal possible to acquire draft assets and cap space.

Ainge knows what it takes to win a championship. He wants his top five player and only OKC can make a better offer, and they've already got Shai at the point.

Things can change, but as of right now, everything is lining up for Luka to be a Jazzman - and Ainge will still have enough picks left over to shape the rest of the roster around him, Lauri and Kessler.

You are delusional, sir.

 

[JazzJunkie]

I mean that’s one school in a league… we are talking about a league that has churned out some significant busts… maybe Bilal is different but you can’t ignore the track record.

The NCAA has churned out a bunch of all time busts. Every league in every country try will churn out busts. Evaluate players not what league they were in.

 

[JazzJunkie]

It’s hard to get a true evaluation without considering who they are playing against… it’s a completely relevant data point to consider.

Not a very important one.

 

[JazzJunkie]

You are delusional, sir.

To be honest though, that's a delusion I'll ride till the wheels fall off on my way to the looney bin.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not a very important one.

What if I told you there was a league that was churning out all stars left and right… and there was a prospect who looked similar to these all stars available to be drafted… are you factoring that into your evaluation?

Look to all the Bilal lovers… you have to consider everything… and I promise you every team that is evaluating him is considering the fact he could be the next Frankie smokes or sekou… it’s gross negligence if they aren’t. Doesn’t mean he can’t buck the trend… but I promise you smart GMs are considering the trend in their evaluation of the prospect.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What if I told you there was a league that was churning out all stars left and right… and there was a prospect who looked similar to these all stars available to be drafted… are you factoring that into your evaluation?

Look to all the Bilal lovers… you have to consider everything… and I promise you every team that is evaluating him is considering the fact he could be the next Frankie smokes or sekou… it’s gross negligence if they aren’t. Doesn’t mean he can’t buck the trend… but I promise you smart GMs are considering the trend in their evaluation of the prospect.

They aren't considering it the way it has been stated here.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I heard something like under the new CBA teams have to spend 90% of the cap.

Assuming JC isn't resigned, everyone returns, and all 3 picks are used, how much would the Jazz have to spend to get to 90%?

 

[NUMBERICA]

If you want to evaluate a player, you need to evaluate him individually. Whether someone else from the league was a bust isn't relevant.

Is basketball an individual sport?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I heard something like under the new CBA teams have to spend 90% of the cap.

Assuming JC isn't resigned, everyone returns, and all 3 picks are used, how much would the Jazz have to spend to get to 90%?

That’s always been a rule… we’d need to spend like 20m depending on options

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They aren't considering it the way it has been stated here.

The eff does that even mean lol.

 

[cowhide]

Bogey would look good in dallas imo

If the Mavs give up the 10th pick for Bogie, then our trade looks even worse than I thought it did. I still cannot believe the Jazz couldn't have gotten a first for him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I heard something like under the new CBA teams have to spend 90% of the cap.

Assuming JC isn't resigned, everyone returns, and all 3 picks are used, how much would the Jazz have to spend to get to 90%?

This isn’t new. It’s called the salary floor. It’s why teams rent out cap space rather than pocket the savings. I think this has been a thing since the 2011 lockout.

The amount that a team is under the salary floor gets distributed evenly among the roster at the end of the year.

The answer to your question is - shooting from the hip - >$40 million. I’ll look it up but HH is probably right about >$20 million.