Trade to 5 for Jarace?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It's a rumor from Givony, but what would it actually take and what would you be willing to give?

Got to think the Pistons would want some combo of draft capital and veteran(s) to bolster their roster.

There is obviously some good relationship between Utan and Detroit as they completed the Bogey deal last year that worked out for both sides.

The most immediately obvious trade is Sexton for Bagley and swapping 9 and 5. After getting Wiseman how much do they want to keep Bagley? Sexton could start next to Cade/Ivey or he could come off the bench as a 6th man. The Jazz could add a future pick to sweeten the deal, but I don't think it would take much more as the upgrade from Bagley to Sexton for their team is fairly substantial.

An alternative would be Burks/Sexton swap if Detroit actually likes Bagley at his contract.

 

[The Midnight]

Rather roll the dice and see who falls between Hendricks and Black.

So.. thanks but no thanks from me.

 

[MT Steve]

I'd probably do it. I think Jarace has superstar potential.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I'd probably do it. I think Jarace has superstar potential.

Jarace could be Millsap with passing chops and a three point shot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Pistons don’t need a player like Sexton… they’d likely have some interest in Ochai… my guess is the cost to move up to 5 is at least one good pick plus 9. If it’s less than that then go for it. If it’s more I pass. I don’t love the target here… if that is the target just wait until 9 and take BPA. I don’t hate Walker but I just don’t see him worth the cost of moving up.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Pistons don’t need a player like Sexton… they’d likely have some interest in Ochai… my guess is the cost to move up to 5 is at least one good pick plus 9. If it’s less than that then go for it. If it’s more I pass. I don’t love the target here… if that is the target just wait until 9 and take BPA. I don’t hate Walker but I just don’t see him worth the cost of moving up.

Pistons could definitely use a Sexton, moreso than 90% of NBA teams.

 

[sip]

Jarace could be Millsap with passing chops and a three point shot.

So Paul Millsap since Millsap had a 3pt shot and passing chops. It seems like you may have missed his time on the hawks.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So Paul Millsap since Millsap had a 3pt shot and passing chops. It seems like you may have missed his time on the hawks.

Earlier developed

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Pistons could definitely use a Sexton, moreso than 90% of NBA teams.

Look Pistons are kings of duplication… but Ivey is Sextonesque in some ways. They have Cade, Ivey, AB off the bench (who they love)… they’d need Ochai more than Sexton. The cost to move up in the top ten is usually a pick. If we move up it will be 9 plus a pick… if the cost is more than that… then the team really isn’t that motivated and you’d likely have to overpay… and I’m not doing that.

 

[Miggs]

It's a rumor from Givony, but what would it actually take and what would you be willing to give?

Got to think the Pistons would want some combo of draft capital and veteran(s) to bolster their roster.

There is obviously some good relationship between Utan and Detroit as they completed the Bogey deal last year that worked out for both sides.

The most immediately obvious trade is Sexton for Bagley and swapping 9 and 5. After getting Wiseman how much do they want to keep Bagley? Sexton could start next to Cade/Ivey or he could come off the bench as a 6th man. The Jazz could add a future pick to sweeten the deal, but I don't think it would take much more as the upgrade from Bagley to Sexton for their team is fairly substantial.

An alternative would be Burks/Sexton swap if Detroit actually likes Bagley at his contract.

You’re delusional if you think the Pistons wouldn’t want a pick (or two) to move up from 9 to 5 and that Sexton alone is enough of a sweetener.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Look Pistons are kings of duplication… but Ivey is Sextonesque in some ways. They have Cade, Ivey, AB off the bench (who they love)… they’d need Ochai more than Sexton. The cost to move up in the top ten is usually a pick. If we move up it will be 9 plus a pick… if the cost is more than that… then the team really isn’t that motivated and you’d likely have to overpay… and I’m not doing that.

He isn't and Burks is over 30 on an expiriny

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You’re delusional if you think the Pistons wouldn’t want a pick (or two) to move up from 9 to 5 and that Sexton alone is enough of a sweetener.

I said it would take more, just not much more

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The hope with Jarace imo is he’s Draymond with a jumper… I have a few questions there like is his defense going to be on that level… is his passing going to be as good in a non-Steph environment and will he shoot it (everyone assumes the jumper will come… it could but it’s a 50/50 proposition).

If he doesn’t shoot it then he’s similar to Okongwu imo… at 9 that’s fine… but if you burn a bunch of assets to get there… that sucks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He isn't and Burks is over 30 on an expiriny

He is and they like AB as a vet leader… he may be there a while on the cheap… it’s not a huge need.

 

[David Stern]

One of the national writers proposed a 9+25 Cleveland Pick for #5 a few weeks back. That’s probably the most I’d do

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

So Paul Millsap since Millsap had a 3pt shot and passing chops. It seems like you may have missed his time on the hawks.

I was talking about his time on the jazz and wasn’t the passer Jarace is supposed to be

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think Detroit would obviously ask for Ochai… way before Sexton. I was told he’s a great defender and he definitely shoots it well. They need a 3 and D wing way more than another lightening fast combo guard.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Sexton’s #1 hater doing nasty work.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

It would be interesting to know in the history of trading up - say 5 spots or fewer, how often it has worked (and by worked, I mean how often has the guy they traded up for been better than a guy they could have had if they would have stayed put)?

I just think with the draft being such a crapshoot, it doesn't make much sense to give up assets to go get a guy when you have no clue whether that guy will be better than the guy you might take if you stand pat. is jarace walker going to be better than Cam? Better than Ausar? Better than Black? Better than Hendricks? Better than Bilal? I'm pretty much anti-Bilal at 9 (i think it's too early), but i'd rather take him at 9, than give up assets to move up to take a guy who i have no clue if he will be better than Bilal.

maybe. also, maybe not. i just think it makes too much sense to stay where you're at, don't give up assets and roll the dice. hell, you're rolling the dice regardless.

we know the jazz have been burned by trading up in the past - they traded 14 and 21 to take Trey Burke at 9 - yet at 14, they could have taken Giannis, Schroder, Mason Plumlee, Hardaway Jr, Reggie Bullock, Rudy, etc - all who have been better nba players than Burke.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It would be interesting to know in the history of trading up - say 5 spots or fewer, how often it has worked (and by worked, I mean how often has the guy they traded up for been better than a guy they could have had if they would have stayed put)?

I just think with the draft being such a crapshoot, it doesn't make much sense to give up assets to go get a guy when you have no clue whether that guy will be better than the guy you might take if you stand pat. is jarace walker going to be better than Cam? Better than Ausar? Better than Black? Better than Hendricks?

maybe. also, maybe not. i just think it makes too much sense to stay where you're at, don't give up assets and roll the dice. hell, you're rolling the dice regardless.

we know the jazz have been burned by trading up in the past - they traded 14 and 21 to take Trey Burke at 9 - yet at 14, they could have taken Giannis, Schroder, Mason Plumlee, Hardaway Jr, Reggie Bullock, Rudy, etc - all who have been better nba players than Burke.

There have been a handful… Luka obviously… Jarrett Culver was another. It varies wildly. The cost is usually one good pick… so would you do #9 and 2025 Cavs pick? Maybe? It requires a willing seller… there are teams that make bigger offers that are rejected.

If they’d take 9 and Ochai I’d do that… if it’s 9 and an unprotected future pick I will pass… if the target is Walker anyway, but that is a reasonable, fair offer that is in line with historic comps.

So if we move up to 5 I will say it is Ochai/28/9 for 5 or 9 and a future pick for 5.