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KqWIN said:
Side note to the "being invisible" thing. If that's a big deal to you, you might find yourself with similar concerns about Hendricks. When I watched full games of his he went very long stretches of not being involved at all. The difference between he and Bilal would be that Hendricks inserts himself into the game by being an aggressive shooter, but not much at all in terms of being an on ball player. Bilal is not an aggressive shooter off the ball, but he inserts himself into the game as a slasher/PnR ball handler. It is a much simpler path for Hendricks to become asolid offensive NBA player, but Bilal is more likely to be an initiator. And it makes sense, Hendricks is a good shooter whereas Bilal played PG for most of his career. They are different players, but neither is dominating a lot of the offensive action.

I think we probably make a bigger deal out of this than we should. If you're watching a game and zeroing in on a single player, chances are you'll find yourself bored by all the times nothing happens unless they have that clear #1 role. Keyonte is one of the highest usage guys in summer league and we still have complaints about him getting frozen out. It's just a different viewing experience when you're focusing on one guy versus watching a game normally.
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15/7 average on good efficiency. Similar block steal numbers (in college vs. Bilal summer league). I think the difference is Taylor is invisible but productive and defenses are certainly aware of his visibility. I don't have a problem with not dominating the ball at all... and Taylor was also the heart of the defense so he was quite visible on that end. Bilal has certainly popped and plays a position that is somewhat less important.

I think the reason it was so apparent was I literally was asked multiple times "which kid was Wemby's teammate?" during his game. I not only had to find him I had to think if he was on the floor... don't take it too hard. I haven't even watched the other games.
 
KqWIN said:
Well that’s kind of his thing, isn’t it? You will barely notice him on the floor but then you look down at the box score and it looks good. Like I said, it’s not necessarily a good or bad thing. But if it concerns you that a player feels invisible, that would be a concern with Hendricks.
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Nah... there is PJ Tucker levels of invisible and there is the surprising box score guy... give me the latter. Like with Lauri... I'd be like... he's been quiet this half... oh he has 11 pts and 4 boards... I guess he's just been average.

Invisibility is not the concern per se... especially with a shooter... as it means they are impacting what is going on the floor because the defense is paying attention. Even when he wasn't getting the ball he was hiding in the corner... he'd be involved in screening actions or be a ball mover at the top.
 
With regard to Bilal... I'm just not a huge believer or skeptic. I'll judge him more in a couple years I guess. I wish Washington would at least give him more reps as the initiator so we have a bit more to judge him on... and tbh should likely shut Davis down as he is only hurting his stock and the players around him. Sometimes is okay to call it early on a bad pick.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
15/7 average on good efficiency. Similar block steal numbers (in college vs. Bilal summer league). I think the difference is Taylor is invisible but productive and defenses are certainly aware of his visibility. I don't have a problem with not dominating the ball at all... and Taylor was also the heart of the defense so he was quite visible on that end. Bilal has certainly popped and plays a position that is somewhat less important.

I think the reason it was so apparent was I literally was asked multiple times "which kid was Wemby's teammate?" during his game. I not only had to find him I had to think if he was on the floor... don't take it too hard. I haven't even watched the other games.
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I think you would have similar questions about Hendricks. A normal fan wouldn’t pick out the guys who mostly stands in the corner as a top 10 pick. I have no life and I still found myself being bored to death by the film. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but Hendricks is definitely not the type of player you feel and notice a lot each and every play. And this was at UCF.
 
KqWIN said:
I think you would have similar questions about Hendricks. A normal fan wouldn’t pick out the guys who mostly stands in the corner as a top 10 pick. I have no life and I still found myself being bored to death by the film. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, but Hendricks is definitely not the type of player you feel and notice a lot each and every play. And this was at UCF.
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Not really... a floor spacer and rim finisher being invisible means resources are coming his way... which should open up other stuff for other players. While he might not be high usage... he was effective. An initiating wing being used as a floor spacer... when the shot is not there yet is a concern. If Taylor isn't getting his its because initiators aren't finding him or the defense is committing to covering him. One guy can be invisible and still be a positive. Its why shooting is so damn important. YOU may not notice him... the defense is acutely aware. Until they let Bilal initiate he will be a floor spacer and likely not a good one. Not getting that chance in summer league is not the end of the world... but if we had drafted him I would be pissed if they were letting Davis cook while Bilal chills.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Lively has a ton of potential, but he's really far away from contributing at the moment. I'm very interested to see what Alex Jensen can do with him.
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He's also going to look much better the higher quality players he plays with. He's not someone who is going to stand out in SL (at least on offense). I think by the end of the season he should be a solid rotation player who you are excited about going into year 2.
 
Gradey is going to be nasty in the NBA. Guaranteed. That dude came off a screen and busted and it looked incredible.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not really... a floor spacer and rim finisher being invisible means resources are coming his way... which should open up other stuff for other players. While he might not be high usage... he was effective. An initiating wing being used as a floor spacer... when the shot is not there yet is a concern. If Taylor isn't getting his its because initiators aren't finding him or the defense is committing to covering him. One guy can be invisible and still be a positive. Its why shooting is so damn important. YOU may not notice him... the defense is acutely aware. Until they let Bilal initiate he will be a floor spacer and likely not a good one. Not getting that chance in summer league is not the end of the world... but if we had drafted him I would be pissed if they were letting Davis cook while Bilal chills.
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Right….I’m just saying that if being invisible is a bad thing, you are not going to like the Hendricks film. IMO, it’s not necessarily a good or bad thing. Ryan Rollins and Johnny Davis aren’t invisible but they freaking stink.

The predictive utility of SL is basically nothing to begin with, but children/100 who recognize each player is definitely not a metric I care about lol.
 
Air Podz has shown me why I was super high and eventually kind of low on him.

The experience of playing with the adult team will be completely different and I do ultimately believe the GSW style will hugely benefit him if he can transition to not feeling that ball the entire game.
 
Man, I'm a bit shocked at how patient and poised Ausar is in the half-court. Wish he was a bit more aggressive, but he seems to make the right plays. I think when this dude gets on a team and is in a real concept he's going to be a very good player. Him and Cade are going to be a high IQ duo w/ real size/athleticism.
 
KqWIN said:
Right….I’m just saying that if being invisible is a bad thing, you are not going to like the Hendricks film. IMO, it’s not necessarily a good or bad thing. Ryan Rollins and Johnny Davis aren’t invisible but they freaking stink.

The predictive utility of SL is basically nothing to begin with, but children/100 who recognize each player is definitely not a metric I care about lol.
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It wasn't all children lol. And the teenagers I was with would run circles around many of the folks here... not casuals at all. It was more a thing of them asking then me thinking... "he's not in... oh wait... there he is". It wasn't about recognizing him.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
bufkin has been interesting in this game. but the one that it is apparent, and it was apparent if you ever watched him at michigan it's that he's not a PG. he can shoot, he can score, damn near impossible to stay in front of, but he just isn't a natural passer/playmaker and when he goes to the bucket (again, just a beast to stay in front of) he has tunnel vision and as a result has had it ripped away, and been blocked 2 or 3 times - again, finding people just doesn't come naturally. but man, as a shooter/scorer, the extra spacing is going to be great for him - so damn quick off the bounce and a beautiful stroke from distance.
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As someone who was very high on Bufkin, yeah I’d definitely agree that we just overlooked that he didn’t play PG at Michigan and assumed it would be fine. I haven’t caught his games, but it looks like his biggest issue right now is that he can’t throw it in the ocean.
 
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