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SoberasHotRod said:
Yeah, I did a quick look just now and Bane doesn't come out as high as I would expect on some of the defensive metrics. Eye test tells me Bane is capable of much higher defense though.
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My memory might be faulty, but don't teams straight up target Bane on defense? I don't think of him as a plus defender at all. He's got the T-rex arms which is why he fell in the draft.
 
KqWIN said:
For me, OG being a win now piece isn’t a big deal for POR. But him essentially being on a one year deal….yeah I’d cash him in for picks rather than rolling the dice. OG’s bound to have premium trade value, the idea of him is perfect for a lot of teams and the reality isn’t too bad either.
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An expiring contract and a guy headed to his age 27 season that fits with A LOT of teams… we are talking like 35M+ per year… and he’s unrestricted. If they can’t get two solid firsts for him I’d understand keeping him as a team will pony up a first at the trade deadline as long as he’s healthy. It’s contract/age/where Portland is as a franchise.

I could see Cronin keeping him if he’s afraid for his job. They have a weird ownership situation and he may not want to captain a bottom feeder for his own reasons.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, it just means they like KO better, not that Sexton/THT arent "keeper" quality.

Obviously KO is way better than Sexton.

He's better than THT right now, but THT has a higher ceiling if he really progresses this year. But it's also going to be much easier to keep KO than it will be THT, so that's probably part of the equation.
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THT has yet to prove himself as a positive NBA player, right now he's behind Kris Dunn at that
 
Pinhead said:
Wait… in what way did THT outplay Dunn? Worse ppg, rpg, apg, bpg, spg, shooting percentages, and more turnovers.
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Oh brother

Think before you post. What segment of the season did both players play in the same context? Compare just those numbers, not the start of the season when actual ball was being played and Dunn was in the GLeague
 
Pinhead said:
Embrace reality before you post. Dunn’s worst month for fg% or 3p% was better than THT’s best month all year.
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Does that even matter in basketball???
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Try watching the games
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First you argued with youth and upside, now you argue eyeball test.

I get the upside argument, but I dont get you watching them and coming out with a perspective that he is a better player as is.

Right now THT is worse than Kris Dunn in pretty much everything except the spin move.
 
HermanG said:
First you argued with youth and upside, now you argue eyeball test.

I get the upside argument, but I dont get you watching them and coming out with a perspective that he is a better player as is.

Right now THT is worse than Kris Dunn in pretty much everything except the spin move.
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Good lord some of y'all are so weird
 
You watched a journeyman be hyper efficient against tanking competition because he had an unusually hot shooting streak on very minimal attempts and you think he is better than a guy who was making legitimate plays and actually tldoikg things.

And yes, the advanced stats favor THT over the course of the time since Dunn started playing.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You watched a journeyman be hyper efficient against tanking competition because he had an unusually hot shooting streak on very minimal attempts and you think he is better than a guy who was making legitimate plays and actually tldoikg things.

And yes, the advanced stats favor THT over the course of the time since Dunn started playing.
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Dunn just feels more consistent and steady, like I don't trust THT at all. Part of that is age and experience, part of that is play style.

There is not doubt that THT has a much higher ceiling than Dunn, and so it would be amazing if he could calm down a little and play under control. It's just difficult for me to imagine since the impression of THT that sticks in my head is of him taking step back long twos early in the shot clock or spinning for no reason as he barrels his way to the basket.
 
framer said:
My memory might be faulty, but don't teams straight up target Bane on defense? I don't think of him as a plus defender at all. He's got the T-rex arms which is why he fell in the draft.
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Not that I've seen. Bane can stay in front of his guy and is smart and in good position for the most part. I've always thought of him as a good, but not great defender.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You watched a journeyman be hyper efficient against tanking competition because he had an unusually hot shooting streak on very minimal attempts and you think he is better than a guy who was making legitimate plays and actually tldoikg things.

And yes, the advanced stats favor THT over the course of the time since Dunn started playing.
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Since 9th of February both played around same amount of minutes and possessions. Dunn had 33% less FGA than THT at that period with 10% less minutes played. So you are saying the difference in "very limited attempts" and "making legitimate plays" (your words) is 33%.... or less than 5 shots per game.

Also btw, you are essentiallly rewarding THT for missed shots here since the FGM was 5.3 (Dunn) vs 6.3 (THT), so only marginally different.
 
framer said:
My memory might be faulty, but don't teams straight up target Bane on defense? I don't think of him as a plus defender at all. He's got the T-rex arms which is why he fell in the draft.
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Why would teams target Bane and not Ja. Bane is fine on defense.
 
framer said:
My memory might be faulty, but don't teams straight up target Bane on defense? I don't think of him as a plus defender at all. He's got the T-rex arms which is why he fell in the draft.
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Memphis has been a better defensive team with him on the court for the last two seasons. No idea how much noise is in that (like playing with JJJ more minutes than not) but I think he is generally regarded as a JJ Redick esque defender, but with some better physical traits. Going to play good team defense and generally be in the right spots and has enough strength/movement ability to not be a liability.
HermanG said:
Since 9th of February both played around same amount of minutes and possessions. Dunn had 33% less FGA than THT at that period with 10% less minutes played. So you are saying the difference in "very limited attempts" and "making legitimate plays" (your words) is 33%.... or less than 5 shots per game.

Also btw, you are essentiallly rewarding THT for missed shots here since the FGM was 5.3 (Dunn) vs 6.3 (THT), so only marginally different.
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I'm pretty sure you're the person I argued with this about a month ago and you claimed advanced stats favored Dunn until I proved you wrong, but idk, maybe I'm misremembering which delusional THT hater I was arguing with.
 
HermanG said:
Since 9th of February both played around same amount of minutes and possessions. Dunn had 33% less FGA than THT at that period with 10% less minutes played. So you are saying the difference in "very limited attempts" and "making legitimate plays" (your words) is 33%.... or less than 5 shots per game.

Also btw, you are essentiallly rewarding THT for missed shots here since the FGM was 5.3 (Dunn) vs 6.3 (THT), so only marginally different.
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And also, as I pointed out to you when you tried to make these dumbass arguments, Dunn played in the final 3 games of the season and THT did not. Those would have probably been 40-10-10 games for THT with how easy they were.
 
And I know THT is likely gone if we get Herro, which will suck, but ultimately I sign off on.

Hope we are able to keep him so he can form a dynamic backcourt with him/Herro, but you got to give up good stuff to get good stuff.
 
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