Who Would You Rather Have: Herro or Holiday?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It does when talking about a 33yr old that doesn't fit our timeline. Some of you guys just never learn.

lmao.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

When people obsess about timeline I remember the Core4 talks and how that **** worked out. Wasted years sitting around for guys to develop and only one actually panned out to be anything of worth then he left the first moment he could.

So much fun. You know how much better that era would have gone if we kept Millsap?

Whats teh point of having assets if youre just going to hoard them? I get waiting years if youre asset poor and you need to accumulate, but we aint have to do that.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Ochai development, Kessler development, Hendricks development, etc. Lots of young dudes with potential that need to develop before we ready to roll.

I guess I should clarify that when I hear window I'm thinking championship window. I don't think any of those things make us title contenders.

Jrue wouldn't take away from any of that development either. He would just help us be more competitive sooner.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Our best players are 26, 26, and 31. You sound stupid when you act like Jrue Holiday cant be on our timeline.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What is realistically happening in two years that opens up our window?

Only thing I can think of is Keyonte's development. I'm curious what you are thinking about.

This is why the draft this year was so important. When thinking of timeline we are either on Lauri's timeline or Kessler/Rookies/player to be picked in 2025?

We don't need to force a Jrue trade to happen and it sounds like he is out of the price range. But if they discussed the contract extension and other things lined up then go ahead I suppose. It might end up being the move before the MOVE. We also might see Keyonte or Taylor balling out and thinking... man if we had done that Holiday deal we'd be right in the middle of the playoff race.

Ainge is a value hunter... so he will only do it if it is good value. So Herro more likely than Jrue.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I can only see Jrue making everyone on our team better, Keyonte included.

With Herro you can make a legitimate argument he would stall a guy like Keyonte as they are somewhat similar and there would be some interference effect.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

At what age does a basketball player peak?

NBA History

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It is generally accepted that the peak age for a basketball player is somewhere around 27 or 28 years of age. A deep dive into some of the basketball statistics shows you that, but there are always some exceptions to the rule. While someone such as the late, great Kobe Bryant peaked in his late 20s, as you would expect, some other athletes peak at a different time.

So if you want to take advantage of what will likely be Lauri's best years, you probably want some sort of near peak/post peak veterans. I think a guy like Jrue is probably a year or two older than ideal, but I dont think you want a team full of 23-25 year olds who are still coming into their own.

 

[underdog]

Our window if we develop and draft well opens in 2 years. Anyone that says otherwise is full of ****. Jrue doesn't fit our timeline and doesn't come close to making us any kind of contender over the next few years.

Well, if we could somehow get Jrue for two years and within that time managed to add a star player, would you still say we’re not a contender? Personally, I would love to have Jrue. He’d be perfect for what we need. Herro I’m not interested in because he’s a one-way player. But there will be a lot of teams wanting Jrue.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This is why the draft this year was so important. When thinking of timeline we are either on Lauri's timeline or Kessler/Rookies/player to be picked in 2025?

We don't need to force a Jrue trade to happen and it sounds like he is out of the price range. But if they discussed the contract extension and other things lined up then go ahead I suppose. It might end up being the move before the MOVE. We also might see Keyonte or Taylor balling out and thinking... man if we had done that Holiday deal we'd be right in the middle of the playoff race.

Ainge is a value hunter... so he will only do it if it is good value. So Herro more likely than Jrue.

We dont need to force it, but how often is an All-Defensive guard (can play next to 1' or 2's) who is as good as Jrue is offensively available?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We dont need to force it, but how often is an All-Defensive guard (can play next to 1' or 2's) who is as good as Jrue is offensively available?

Like once every 4 years. I think it may take 2+ picks or like 2 picks and Ochai. Sounds like the Clips would do 2 picks on their own... maybe they throw in Mann. That's what I mean by don't force it. If it is one pick and Ochai that's kind of my ideal range... if its 2 picks and Ochai or 3 picks... nah.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm talking myself into it a bit on Jrue. He has shown zero signs of slowing down. Just make sure you can get him to sign and extension of 1-2 years beyond the PO. Then you can flip him later if things ain't lining up right.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm talking myself into it a bit on Jrue. He has shown zero signs of slowing down. Just make sure you can get him to sign and extension of 1-2 years beyond the PO. Then you can flip him later if things ain't lining up right.

Much like Conley, there will always be someone in need of a veteran PG who can still play and is on an expiring or near expiring contract.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Much like Conley, there will always be someone in need of a veteran PG who can still play and is on an expiring or near expiring contract.

Would you do THT, Sexton, Ochai, Lakers 1st and Minny 2027 1st for Jrue?

Cuz that's what I think it costs... Sexton likely routed elsewhere.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Would you do THT, Sexton, Ochai, Lakers 1st and Minny 2027 1st for Jrue?

Cuz that's what I think it costs... Sexton likely routed elsewhere.

Take out Ochai, give them them 2025 Cavs pick, and make the 2027 the 2nd most favorable pick between the Lakers/Wolve/Jazz/Cavs pick (I believe you can do that last one, make creative protections like that to protect us and make sure we get the best pick of that 2027 group)

 

[Pinhead]

Our best players are 26, 26, and 31. You sound stupid when you act like Jrue Holiday cant be on our timeline.

His one guaranteed year left on his contract fits the Jazz’s timeline?

Only one conclusion can be reached. Cy is guaranteeing we are contenders next year. Championship here we come.

Or… maybe people aren’t “stupid” if they think maybe there is a chance that we spend assets and Jrue just leaves in free agency because he is nearing the end of his career and like most athletes may want a shot at a title run that the Jazz can’t reasonably provide for at least a couple of years.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Take out Ochai, give them them 2025 Cavs pick, and make the 2027 the 2nd most favorable pick between the Lakers/Wolve/Jazz/Cavs pick (I believe you can do that last one, make creative protections like that to protect us and make sure we get the best pick of that 2027 group)

And they say no... I think they can get the two clips picks or one clips pick and one philly one unprotected. I think that is the bar to clear.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

His one guaranteed year left on his contract fits the Jazz’s timeline?

Only one conclusion can be reached. Cy is guaranteeing we are contenders next year. Championship here we come.

Or… maybe people aren’t “stupid” if they think maybe there is a chance that we spend assets and Jrue just leaves in free agency because he is nearing the end of his career and like most athletes may want a shot at a title run that the Jazz can’t reasonably provide for at least a couple of years.

I think the contract situation may be a bigger issue than the age. If the front office could get a solution there I think they would be more aggressive. Other than a handshake type of agreement I don't think there is a solution to that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

His one guaranteed year left on his contract fits the Jazz’s timeline?

Only one conclusion can be reached. Cy is guaranteeing we are contenders next year. Championship here we come.

Or… maybe people aren’t “stupid” if they think maybe there is a chance that we spend assets and Jrue just leaves in free agency because he is nearing the end of his career and like most athletes may want a shot at a title run that the Jazz can’t reasonably provide for at least a couple of years.

You can talk to these dudes and take their temperature.

The Jazz might not be contenders this upcoming season, but they should be by the following year or the one after that, all of which Jrue should still be relevant. Try to elevate the years were Lauri and Walker are still cheap.

Go look at any contender, there are often large age gaps on the roster. Usually among starting rotations 2-3 will be around the same age +/- 3 years, you will have 1 guy who is 25 or younger, and 1-2 very veteran players. That's how you build a championship roster, with a max of age groups.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My official prediction is Clips go two firsts and Mann and get Jrue.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And they say no... I think they can get the two clips picks or one clips pick and one philly one unprotected. I think that is the bar to clear.

The Cavs pick is unprotected in the elite draft, correct? That should count for something and it's coming sooner than those picks they can get from the Clips. The 2nd most valuable from that 4 pick group is still potentially a lottery pick.

If they can actually get Mann, that might swing it, but I still have doubts the Clippers make that huge of a move given how bad of luck they have had with health.