Collin Sexton SZN

[Saint Cy of JFC]

My favorite part of that is the assists. That needs to be his average, not like, wow this is his greatest game ever! When that happens we'll really have something. Otherwise he's just another short sparkplug scorer, and we saw where the last one of those got us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Sexton fan, but for him to really elevate us he needs to become a solid facilitator or a mini-Iverson. But right now he's a more efficient Clarkson and that's not going to be enough.

As long as he isnt on the ball and trying to initiate offense, he is usually fine as a passer. The issue is when he gets on the ball and is just looking to freestyle. The ball gets stuck and nothing really happens. But when he gets the ball after someone else initiated and he makes a quick decision, he's much better.

 

[Domino]

As long as he isnt on the ball and trying to initiate offense, he is usually fine as a passer. The issue is when he gets on the ball and is just looking to freestyle. The ball gets stuck and nothing really happens. But when he gets the ball after someone else initiated and he makes a quick decision, he's much better.

Yeah that’s why he works better with keyonte who’s a little bit bigger and can run the point so sexton can be a wing on offense but take the smalllest guy on defense he’s an amazing wing but a bad pg which is his issue because he’s only 6’0


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[Tremendous Upside]

Sexton is an excellent finisher in traffic.

Bizarre take.

Sexton has already been blocked 7 times this season, second to only Collins (8), who's been having a really tough time under the rim in half court.

He should have no business driving into the trees.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Bizarre take.

Sexton has already been blocked 7 times this season, second to only Collins (8), who's been having a really tough time under the rim in half court.

He should have no business driving into the trees.

Again… getting blocked doesn’t mean you’re a bad finisher in traffic.

 

[Elizah Huge]

As long as he isnt on the ball and trying to initiate offense, he is usually fine as a passer. The issue is when he gets on the ball and is just looking to freestyle. The ball gets stuck and nothing really happens. But when he gets the ball after someone else initiated and he makes a quick decision, he's much better.

This is very true. Seems a lot more comfortable that way.

 

[fishonjazz]

Bizarre take.

Sexton has already been blocked 7 times this season, second to only Collins (8), who's been having a really tough time under the rim in half court.

He should have no business driving into the trees.

About 1.2 times per game or something then? not good but with as much as he attacks bigger players, not bad either. Also sample size of last year is much bigger and against a much bigger variety of players so might be a better indicator. how many times was he blocked last season vs number of games he played? im curious.

I know, I know, cherry picking stats to make jazz players look as bad as possible is kinda your thing so sorry.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Bizarre take.

Sexton has already been blocked 7 times this season, second to only Collins (8), who's been having a really tough time under the rim in half court.

He should have no business driving into the trees.

That's like saying a shot blocker who gets dunked on is a bad defender cuz they got dunked on. You're acting like a mental midget right now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I support almost all Sexton slander, but acting like he's a bad finisher is just wild.

 

[str8line]

Yeah that’s why he works better with keyonte who’s a little bit bigger and can run the point so sexton can be a wing on offense but take the smalllest guy on defense he’s an amazing wing but a bad pg which is his issue because he’s only 6’0


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He's actually 6'5, with the afro 6'9. Pretty good dribbler. He truly defines grace under pressure.

 

[kabenac]

Some of y'all don't give Sexton props. Last season he shot 50% from the field and 39% from three. This season he's shooting 49% from the field and 40% from three. He's very efficient on offense and as a Jazzman his shots have been down.

He's not a pure PG nor will he ever be. Keyonte is the PG of the future and having Sexton and Clarkson in the mix as combo guards is a luxury.

I think Sexton is down to improve on defense as well. He's not going to be a superstar but he's definitely got what it takes to be an important part of our rotation.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I support almost all Sexton slander, but acting like he's a bad finisher is just wild.

You've literally provided zero evidence (even anecdotal) to the contrary. Zero.

"No, he's not a bad finisher in traffic."

Right.

You know what, forget the word "finisher" if it bothers you. Let's just stick to the cold, hard facts. Sexton gets blocked a ton and he's making 33% of the shots he takes within 3 to 10 feet from the basket (i.e. floater range, where there's usually a defender or two between him and the rim). That's terrible. 9th best on this team.

In other words, Sexton is a very small guard who wants to score near the basket. The numbers say that it doesn't make much sense. Almost the whole freaking team is better than him in the 3 to 10 feet range, yet he keeps forcing this stuff.

 

[Elizah Huge]

You've literally provided zero evidence (even anecdotal) to the contrary. Zero.

"No, he's not a bad finisher in traffic."

Right.

You know what, forget the word "finisher" if it bothers you. Let's just stick to the cold, hard facts. Sexton gets blocked a ton and he's making 33% of the shots he takes within 3 to 10 feet from the basket (i.e. floater range, where there's usually a defender or two between him and the rim). That's terrible. 9th best on this team.

In other words, Sexton is a very small guard who wants to score near the basket. The numbers say that it doesn't make much sense. Almost the whole freaking team is better than him in the 3 to 10 feet range, yet he keeps forcing this stuff.

I’m not sure where you’re getting these numbers from but within 5 feet of the basket he’s averaging 61% from the field on 4.6 attempts per game per nba.com.

Which is the highest on the team from any guard.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Some of y'all don't give Sexton props. Last season he shot 50% from the field and 39% from three. This season he's shooting 49% from the field and 40% from three. He's very efficient on offense and as a Jazzman his shots have been down.

He's not a pure PG nor will he ever be. Keyonte is the PG of the future and having Sexton and Clarkson in the mix as combo guards is a luxury.

I think Sexton is down to improve on defense as well. He's not going to be a superstar but he's definitely got what it takes to be an important part of our rotation.

As I said, I'm fine with Sexton's offense when he brings energy and still plays with a shot selection that makes sense. It does happen. What I don't want him to do is try to dribble into the trees, where he's getting his **** stuffed.

His defense, as has been pointed out, is another thing completely. He's just too small. But every bench player will have some warts, it is what it is.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

That's like saying a shot blocker who gets dunked on is a bad defender cuz they got dunked on. You're acting like a mental midget right now.ro

Not even remotely the same thing.

A shot blocker's job is to try to block shots. Getting yammed on is an occupational hazard.

Sexton's job, as a 6 foot combo guard, is not to try to score on 7 footers near the rim. Every time he gets blocked it's just a waste of an offensive possession that could have been used in a productive way.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I’m not sure where you’re getting these numbers from

Sauces.

but within 5 feet of the basket he’s averaging 61% from the field on 4.6 attempts per game per nba.com.

Which is the highest on the team from any guard.

Sure. I ignored the layup range stat on purpose because Sexton, as a very quick ballhandler, gets a few open layup drives every game. That's not "scoring in traffic". The 3 to 10 feet range is, and his numbers are abysmal there.

To sum up: when there isn't a defender in position under the rim, Sexton is likely to score (duh). When there is, he's not. That's my whole argument.

 

[fishonjazz]

Sexton gets blocked a ton and he's making 33% of the shots he takes within 3 to 10 feet from the basket (i.e. floater range, where there's usually a defender or two between him and the rim). That's terrible. 9th best on this team.

What happens when you increase the sample size to all the other games he has played instead of (checks notes) 5 games?

 

[NAOS_pt2]

League average FG% last year from 0-3 ft: 0.682 (but this number needs to be adjusted for minimum attempts, so it's probably too high; you could also isolate guards and run a different average)
League average FG% last year from 3-10ft: 0.425 (ditto)
Colin Sexton's FG% last year from 0-3ft: 0.608
Colin Sextons's FG% last year from 3-10ft: 0.506

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You've literally provided zero evidence (even anecdotal) to the contrary. Zero.

"No, he's not a bad finisher in traffic."

Right.

You know what, forget the word "finisher" if it bothers you. Let's just stick to the cold, hard facts. Sexton gets blocked a ton and he's making 33% of the shots he takes within 3 to 10 feet from the basket (i.e. floater range, where there's usually a defender or two between him and the rim). That's terrible. 9th best on this team.

In other words, Sexton is a very small guard who wants to score near the basket. The numbers say that it doesn't make much sense. Almost the whole freaking team is better than him in the 3 to 10 feet range, yet he keeps forcing this stuff.

I dont really need evidence when it's extremely apparent. Just watch Sexton. Finishing in traffic is why he's in the NBA.

 

[fishonjazz]

League average FG% last year from 0-3 ft: 0.682 (but this number needs to be adjusted for minimum attempts, so it's probably too high; you could also isolate guards and run a different average)
League average FG% last year from 3-10ft: 0.425 (ditto)
Colin Sexton's FG% last year from 0-3ft: 0.608
Colin Sextons's FG% last year from 3-10ft: 0.506

Thanks for those. I was curious how it would shake out. Looks like he is better than average for the most part

 

[NAOS_pt2]

Thanks for those. I was curious how it would shake out. Looks like he is better than average for the most part

If you look at last year's complete data and filter for players who (a) played at least 10% of their minutes at either guard position, (b) played more than 342 minutes for the season (getting them beyond the first quartile), (c) played more than 12 minutes a game:

Average FG% last year for that group from 0-3 ft: 0.658
Average FG% last year for that group from 3-10ft: 0.419
Colin Sexton's FG% last year from 0-3ft: 0.608
Colin Sextons's FG% last year from 3-10ft: 0.506

It looks like @Tremendous Upside's claims are invalid.