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Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean he was...

The Bulls were a very good team when Lonzo was healthy and he was the #1
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The pairing of he and Caruso was nasty defensively for them during that stretch. He definitely wouldn't have been viewed as their number 1 though. He was a great complimentary piece to Derozan and Lavine. I almost feel bad for bulls fans with the injury luck over the years but you can't feel too bad for a fan base that was able to have MJ.
 
Elizah Huge said:
They have gone on ad nauseam about signing Derrick Jones Jr and someone else for 10M with the money lol.
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Having gone through this dance before with some posters about who would and wouldn't sign here I now go to undeniable guys that would sign here. So DJJ a guy I liked that signed for the min and throwing a placeholder 10M 1+1 is where I started. Looking at a bottom of the barrel type thing.

If I say we could have gotten Strus for 4/70 or 3/60 then some will lol that because they will claim he wouldn't come here... even though its more money and a simpler transaction than Cleveland did.

There were just a lot of better outcomes. Again I'm cool if they really just wanted John Collins the player. If it was for a flip it was a bad assessment. If it was as the salary for a star trade then it is just malpractice. You don't do 3/80M placeholders.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
There were just a lot of better outcomes. Again I'm cool if they really just wanted John Collins the player. If it was for a flip it was a bad assessment. If it was as the salary for a star trade then it is just malpractice. You don't do 3/80M placeholders.
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True story: the guy across the street from us, his neighbor put their house up for sale. His father-in-law ended up buying the property, under the belief that they were going to flip it. The house is maybe like 6 years old in a nice neighborhood that sells well. We saw them do maybe a little bit of work on it, perhaps some work on the basement. This was like a year and a half ago, maybe more. Probably about 8 or 9 months ago, the dude across the street moved out of state. The house next door that his FIL owns has been unoccupied. No for sale sign. In the meantime, interest rates have shot through the roof.

Is this a bad situation? I mean, he owns a valuable house that can sell. But what's been happening to his money in the meantime? Nobody renting it out, interest rates rising, his idea of flipping this thing will, at most, equate to a wash, all after being a few years and lots of labor into it. Great. What a prize.
 
KqWIN said:
I would be shocked if we traded for Lavine. We've got nothing to trade for him, and I don't think we're putting up picks.
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I won't be shocked either way. Based on Woj, Shams, and others... Zach's market is bone dry. What he goes for in trade will be closer to what Beal went for (I know there was a no-trade clause) than some star return.
 
Harden netted 1.5 firsts (the second first they got is like the worst of 3 teams) and expiring contracts of useful players. He's an expiring contract and led the league in assists last year. Beal went for expirings on a washed vet and a bunch of seconds.

Both guys had some weird circumstances... but I would put LaVine's potential return somewhere between those two. Chicago may decide to wait things out but the Bulls have been much better without him and have to make a decision on Derozan. Its clear both sides are ready for a breakup.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I won't be shocked either way. Based on Woj, Shams, and others... Zach's market is bone dry. What he goes for in trade will be closer to what Beal went for (I know there was a no-trade clause) than some star return.
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Unless we add a 1RP, which I doubt we do, the market is extremely bone dry for the players we're throwing out there. Like we're not trading a bunch of clear negative contracts for Zach Lavine. With KO and Clarkson, you could maybe make the argument that those are good players on desirable contracts. But that's not getting you Lavine either. Wiz got 4 pick swaps. I think people are generally too hopeful with pick swaps, but yeah that's not nothing especially for a Suns with old players.

I would be shocked because I don't see the Jazz offering up picks....but I suppose it can happen if they are willing to.;
 
KqWIN said:
Unless we add a 1RP, which I doubt we do, the market is extremely bone dry for the players we're throwing out there. Like we're not trading a bunch of clear negative contracts for Zach Lavine. With KO and Clarkson, you could maybe make the argument that those are good players on desirable contracts. But that's not getting you Lavine either. Wiz got 4 pick swaps. I think people are generally too hopeful with pick swaps, but yeah that's not nothing especially for a Suns with old players.

I would be shocked because I don't see the Jazz offering up picks....but I suppose it can happen if they are willing to.;
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And in my trade iteration I did say we'd add a pick. Collins/THT and the lesser or second best of our picks in 2025 or 2027... that type of thing. Give some salary relief and a mid player at a different position with a pick. White has been balling and when LaVine comes back someone is taking a step back... White Derozan or LaVine.

If we are going to use our picks in trades for stars as has been stated by many then I think we'd be willing to put in one pick (I mean some will tell you we already have "too many" picks?) for a guy who was an all-star. Will an all-star player under contract (even though its pretty gnarly) ever come available for as little as what Zach might go for?

It is just kind of inconsistent in my mind to say we are going to do the process and keep Lauri... which seems to be what Locke and others are pitching right now. We don't have to pick a lane now but its coming. I could see DA talk himself into saying we have Lauri/LaVine and the young guys that will develop plus a lotto pick this year... that plus the picks can allow us to be competitive and rebuild.

I'm not married to any of this but I think LaVine's value is going to be surprising if he is moved.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And in my trade iteration I did say we'd add a pick. Collins/THT and the lesser or second best of our picks in 2025 or 2027... that type of thing. Give some salary relief and a mid player at a different position with a pick. White has been balling and when LaVine comes back someone is taking a step back... White Derozan or LaVine.

If we are going to use our picks in trades for stars as has been stated by many then I think we'd be willing to put in one pick (I mean some will tell you we already have "too many" picks?) for a guy who was an all-star. Will an all-star player under contract (even though its pretty gnarly) ever come available for as little as what Zach might go for?

It is just kind of inconsistent in my mind to say we are going to do the process and keep Lauri... which seems to be what Locke and others are pitching right now. We don't have to pick a lane now but its coming. I could see DA talk himself into saying we have Lauri/LaVine and the young guys that will develop plus a lotto pick this year... that plus the picks can allow us to be competitive and rebuild.

I'm not married to any of this but I think LaVine's value is going to be surprising if he is moved.
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Honestly, I think that's something we should do. I think it's more realistic, however, that instead of Collins it's JC and KO.
 
Lakers may pony up for LaVine but is LA excited about like Russell, Rui, and a pick for Lavine? do they also add JHS. They are said to prefer Derozan.

Miami? Herro for LaVine?

Knicks already kinda said they aren't in... RJ for LaVine?

Nets - Maybe... seem like they are waiting for Donovan.

I just struggle to see his market but that doesn't mean they have to sell low.
 
KqWIN said:
Honestly, I think that's something we should do. I think it's more realistic, however, that instead of Collins it's JC and KO.
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Prolly their preference but I'm guessing adding Lavine in that deal would murder our space and potential re-negotiation and extend for Lauri. I think DA can talk them into White, Derozan, Williams, Collins, and stretch 5 extraordinaire Vucevic will make Collins effective out of the PnR. Cue the Tobias meme!

I think they will view Collins at 3/80 as easier to swallow than Zach at 4/180
 
I hope Danny can somehow capitalize on the Warriors disaster with the $400M payroll and the window closing. Maybe Olynyk can help fill the Draymond void if he gets a lengthy suspension.
 
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