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Jazz trade Olynyk and Ochai to Toronto for Kira Lewis, Otto Porter, and a 2024 1st round pick

Tanktastic said:
Let's not kid ourselves. Without further trades this team would be lucky to win 10+ games. Three rookies in the rotation and the bench (our biggest strength before) will struggle to get a 80 ORTG.

And keeping the top-10 pick this year is with these trades an especially bad thing, definitely not great.
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At the same time no one thought Lauri would be this good. Sometimes predicting the future is unsuccessful
 
Tremendous Upside said:
So what's your take on Lauri's future?

It's all easy and clear until you remember he's in the middle of his prime, is a top 20 player and needs a max extension.
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Ya, too bad we have lauri. Really sucks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You also need to give everyone some slack. We've been told the Jazz really want to be competitive and that they really want the pick to convey. I don't think they care a ton if the pick conveys but the logic of pushing in with the purpose of the pick conveying has always been nonsense... and it seems to be growing with the dumbest Jazz online personalities pushing it.
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Yeah, good point.
 
I'm not a fan of this trade but it clearly shows that the jazz actually do like this draft contrary to what has been said. They get worse to keep their own pick plus pick up a late 1st.
 
I don't love these trades. They opened up space for 2 rookies. Got two okish picks. Traded 3 useful guys.
This season wasn't ever going to end up with a championship, so it's not that big of a deal.
Let's go Hendricks and Sensibaugh.

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fishonjazz said:
At the same time no one thought Lauri would be this good. Sometimes predicting the future is unsuccessful
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So what are you predicting? That Hardy was really stupid not playing the two rookies, when they were better than who we had in the rotation?

Sure, playing the rookies is good long-term and Hendricks really, really needs to play or the pick starts to look pretty bad. But for this season it's a major downgrade. Not to mention that gutting the team is deflating for the guys that stay, as we saw last year.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Side note: Ainge now has some quickly acquired ammo for another deal in terms of space and picks. Curious where he goes with this.
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He does but there’s also very limited runway on this. Those assets will be much less valuable once we make a selection.
 
Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Three picks? I thought we got one second in the Simone trade and the first in the ko trade. Where’s the third?


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Our own that we wouldn't give to okc if we suck bad enough now.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What will happen is they will let it ride and see how things gel but if they start losing games there will be some sore knees/backs happening to guys like Lauri/Clarkson/Sexton.
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Agreed.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, I really dont.

Walker is going to get a lot more minutes. Also Hendricks (who you said was a great shooter and defense)

If you have hated on KO (which Elizah has) this trade should be viewed as adding wins.
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Who do you think is going to help the jazz more? KO or porter and lewis? That is the question that eliza was answering. Its that black and white and simple.
 
nateboz said:
I don't love these trades. They opened up space for 2 rookies. Got two okish picks. Traded 3 useful guys.
This season wasn't ever going to end up with a championship, so it's not that big of a deal.
Let's go Hendricks and Sensibaugh.

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This
 
Tanktastic said:
So what are you predicting? That Hardy was really stupid not playing the two rookies, when they were better than who we had in the rotation?

Sure, playing the rookies is good long-term and Hendricks really, really needs to play or the pick starts to look pretty bad. But for this season it's a major downgrade. Not to mention that gutting the team is deflating for the guys that stay, as we saw last year.
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Im saying that as recently as last year we were much better than expected after making trades. Also that predicting the future isn't always accurate.

Also I have been saying all along that hardy should tighten the rotation by giving guys more minutes and playing less guys (10 man rotation is too many). So kessler should get more minutes for sure and guys like lauri, collins, sexton, dunn might also get more minutes which could be beneficial to winning.
 
Kira Lewis is extremely lucky all the options on his rookie contract got picked up. He should go to Europe and try to rebuild his basketball career and maybe in 5 years he can get another NBA shot.
 
KqWIN said:
You guys still believe the Jazz are trying to make the play in? LOL

Crazy how in just a day we have gone from 0 picks in this draft to 3 likely picks. I hope we have a better plan than surrounding Lauri with a bunch of rookies, however.
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I've been saying for a while that there is no plan and that the Jazz are in waiting pattern and no matter how many different moves seem to confirm that people still refuse to believe it. IMO the plan is to play the value game and wait until we hit on a draft pick or two...
 
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