Al-O-Meter
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Surrender is how wars end. If they want an end to war then do what ends wars.
Israel-Hamas War
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Al-O-Meter
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...that the people of Gaza want. As I've told Mongoose, surrender is how wars end. If the Gazans want an end to war then they need to do what ends wars. So long as the Gazans prefer war to a permanent cessation of hostilities then they own the consequences of that chosen path.
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More war mongering from biden and the US: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=fe9f6d1176ae4760ca6b82b6e435dae1&ei=46
The port will be able to receive "large ships carrying food, water, medicine, and temporary shelters," a senior White House official said. A senior defense official said the port's main feature will be a temporary pier that will "provide the capacity for hundreds of additional truckloads of assistance each day."
That official told reporters that the U.S. continues to push Israel to allow more aid into Gaza by land, saying it's the "most-efficient, cost-effective" option.
"But we have decided that we, and the president has directed, that we look at all options that we not wait for the Israelis and that we are pursuing every channel possible to get assistance into Gaza," the official said.
A senior defense official said the U.S. has provided more than $180 million worth in aid to Gaza since the war began on Oct. 7.
"But the truth is, we know that the aid flowing into Gaza is nowhere near enough and nowhere near fast enough," the defense official said. "The president will make clear again this evening that we all need to do more and that the United States is doing more, and we are seeking to use every channel possible to get additional assistance into Gaza."
The Pentagon official also said that the U.S. made its third air drop of aid into Gaza Thursday morning. The three drops included 192 bundles totaling nearly 113,000 meals, the official added.
The port will be able to receive "large ships carrying food, water, medicine, and temporary shelters," a senior White House official said. A senior defense official said the port's main feature will be a temporary pier that will "provide the capacity for hundreds of additional truckloads of assistance each day."
That official told reporters that the U.S. continues to push Israel to allow more aid into Gaza by land, saying it's the "most-efficient, cost-effective" option.
"But we have decided that we, and the president has directed, that we look at all options that we not wait for the Israelis and that we are pursuing every channel possible to get assistance into Gaza," the official said.
A senior defense official said the U.S. has provided more than $180 million worth in aid to Gaza since the war began on Oct. 7.
"But the truth is, we know that the aid flowing into Gaza is nowhere near enough and nowhere near fast enough," the defense official said. "The president will make clear again this evening that we all need to do more and that the United States is doing more, and we are seeking to use every channel possible to get additional assistance into Gaza."
The Pentagon official also said that the U.S. made its third air drop of aid into Gaza Thursday morning. The three drops included 192 bundles totaling nearly 113,000 meals, the official added.
What are the conditions of the surrender?
Al-O-Meter
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It is important to know how fake this narrative is. The border crossings are open for aid deliveries. If you showed up with a big truck full of food for the Gazans, the Israeli soldiers would inspect the load to make sure there were no weapons and then waive you into Gaza. It isn’t hard to get aid through the checkpoint and into Gaza.
The difficult part is getting the aid from the border to the interior of Gaza. In one border crossing alone, there are over 450 trucks full of aid that have crossed into Gaza but are sitting there because no one wants to deliver the aid out of fear of the driver being killed by Hamas and having their truck stolen. The UN has stopped all aid deliveries into Gaza for this reason.
The United States has done three airdrops now to get around Hamas killing aid drivers, but if we’re being honest, it is only for the dramatic video to make it look like something is being done. Three airdrops aren’t enough to even make a dent in the issue, and although everyone claims it is the Jews stopping the aid, it is Hamas stopping the aid.
Al-O-Meter
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It would likely be along the lines of all hostages being freed, all Hamas members being subjected to a system of justice, a complete disarmament of the enclave, and acceptance of an Israeli force to temporarily provide security while the civilizational infrastructure was reconstructed.
Mongoose
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Interesting.... Did the US surrender to Afghanistan? Has the Taliban been in charge since 2021? That would actually explain a lot about some of our current policies.
Lets be honest the US has no ****ing clue how to end wars, and it's well past time they figure it out.
Sardines
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I had no idea you were French
Al-O-Meter
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The fighting in Afghanistan continued until the ANDSF surrendered to the Taliban and then the war in Afghanistan stopped. Surrender is how wars end. If Gaza wants an end to war then they need to do what ends wars.
Mongoose
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Caitlin Johnstone certainly summed it up-
“The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans want to keep destroying Gaza because they love killing Muslims, whereas Democrats want to keep destroying Gaza because something something it’s all Netanyahu’s fault anyway hey let’s go back to talking about Trump.”
www.caitlinjohnst.one
“The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans want to keep destroying Gaza because they love killing Muslims, whereas Democrats want to keep destroying Gaza because something something it’s all Netanyahu’s fault anyway hey let’s go back to talking about Trump.”
The Difference Between Republicans And Democrats
Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley):
www.caitlinjohnst.one
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Israel is attacking gaza. Maybe there are Republican and Democratic Israelis and if so, then by all means hit them with some blame. Also throw a bunch of blame at Hamas.Caitlin Johnstone certainly summed it up-
“The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans want to keep destroying Gaza because they love killing Muslims, whereas Democrats want to keep destroying Gaza because something something it’s all Netanyahu’s fault anyway hey let’s go back to talking about Trump.”
The Difference Between Republicans And Democrats
Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley):
US aren't destroying gaza though.
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Mongoose
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ya ya something something Netanyahus fault anyway, lets talk about trump dur dur
Washington Post reports that there were over 100 other arms deals for "lethal aid" that have been sent to Israel since Oct 7th.
"Over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed and over 71,000 wounded in Gaza since October 7, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, which says about 70% of the casualties are women and children. Despite the massive civilian casualty rate, the US is looking to give Israel another $14 billion in military aid on top of the $3.8 billion it receives each year."
US Has Approved 100 Arms Deals for Israel Since October 7 to Support Gaza Slaughter - News From Antiwar.com
The Biden administration has secretly approved more than 100 separate Foreign Military Sales to Israel since October 7 to support the mass killing of Palestinians in Gaza, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday. It's unclear how many of the sales are being funded by the US, but many could be,…
news.antiwar.com
Why would Gazans trust the IDF to act in good faith?
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I didn't mention Trump. Weird that you did.ya ya something something Netanyahus fault anyway, lets talk about trump dur dur
Washington Post reports that there were over 100 other arms deals for "lethal aid" that have been sent to Israel since Oct 7th.
"Over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed and over 71,000 wounded in Gaza since October 7, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, which says about 70% of the casualties are women and children. Despite the massive civilian casualty rate, the US is looking to give Israel another $14 billion in military aid on top of the $3.8 billion it receives each year."
US Has Approved 100 Arms Deals for Israel Since October 7 to Support Gaza Slaughter - News From Antiwar.com
The Biden administration has secretly approved more than 100 separate Foreign Military Sales to Israel since October 7 to support the mass killing of Palestinians in Gaza, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday. It's unclear how many of the sales are being funded by the US, but many could be,…
You will have to show some video of US troops firing this weaponry. Until then, you are wrong to say that the US is destroying gaza.
Aid can't kill. Money can't kill.
It's like blaming a gun for a death. The gun can't kill without the person pulling the trigger.
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Al-O-Meter
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Because it is a possible path to a peaceful and maybe even prosperous future for their children while maintaining the status quo means dooming their children to war and starvation. Currently the Gazans are choosing the latter and demanding the world feel sorry for Gazans reaping the consequences of their own choices.
That hasn't worked so well for the West Bank.
Al-O-Meter
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You are smoking crack. The average monthly income in Ramallah, West Bank is equivalent to $1,000 which is about the same as in Amman, Jordan and more than in Cairo, Egypt. The average in Gaza City is $250. If you listen to the Hamas Health Ministry, they'll tell you Gazan kids are being blown up by the thousands, but that isn't happening in Ramallah. The Palestinians living in the West Bank are free to travel to neighboring Jordan but there is a giant wall preventing the Gazans from entering Egypt. The only people who don't want the Gazans to surrender either really hate the Jews or the really hate the Gazans.
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More from the war mongering Biden: https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-hot-mic-moment-shows-164505722.html
In the exchange, Bennet congratulates Biden on his speech and urges the president to keep pressing Netanyahu on growing humanitarian concerns in Gaza. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg were also part of the brief conversation.
Biden then responds using Netanyahu's nickname, saying, “I told him, Bibi, and don’t repeat this, but you and I are going to have a ‘come to Jesus’ meeting.”
An aide to the president standing nearby then speaks quietly into the president’s ear, appearing to alert Biden that microphones remained on as he worked the room.
“I’m on a hot mic here,” Biden says after being alerted. “Good. That’s good.”
Biden has become increasingly public about his frustration with the Netanyahu government’s unwillingness to open more land crossings for critically needed aid to make its way into Gaza.
In his address on Thursday, he called on the Israelis to do more to alleviate the suffering even as they try to eliminate Hamas.
“To Israel, I say this humanitarian assistance cannot be a secondary consideration or a bargaining chip,” Biden said.
In the exchange, Bennet congratulates Biden on his speech and urges the president to keep pressing Netanyahu on growing humanitarian concerns in Gaza. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg were also part of the brief conversation.
Biden then responds using Netanyahu's nickname, saying, “I told him, Bibi, and don’t repeat this, but you and I are going to have a ‘come to Jesus’ meeting.”
An aide to the president standing nearby then speaks quietly into the president’s ear, appearing to alert Biden that microphones remained on as he worked the room.
“I’m on a hot mic here,” Biden says after being alerted. “Good. That’s good.”
Biden has become increasingly public about his frustration with the Netanyahu government’s unwillingness to open more land crossings for critically needed aid to make its way into Gaza.
In his address on Thursday, he called on the Israelis to do more to alleviate the suffering even as they try to eliminate Hamas.
“To Israel, I say this humanitarian assistance cannot be a secondary consideration or a bargaining chip,” Biden said.
Sardines
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LOL at Biden telling an Israeli PM that they are going to have a "come to Jesus meeting."
The Thriller
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Come to yahweh moment? Cmon Joe.