Jordan Clarkson Trades?

[Handlogten's Heros]

Left shoulder, right shoulder...you can't play the "think about the future" card when one guy is 25 and the other is about to turn 32. And the guy who is 25 was way better than the 32 year old last season too.

Its not the long term future... its the next two years future. That's all they are signed for. But fair enough... There are some here that didn't like the return anyway. I can just see the Kings in general having real interest if Monk gets PAID. I think Monk will get paid so they will likely want some sort of replacement.

 

[purplegreengold]

I would trade him for almost any player. His awfulness combined with Hardy's perverse need to play him 35 minutes a night cannot continue on this team. He's a great dude, but he needs to be a great dude on somebody else's team. At least if you traded him for Huerter, Hardy probably wouldn't have any issue sitting him or giving him DNP's. He can't do that with Clarkson. I'd attach either #29 or #32 with him...just to get him gone.

 

[infection]

I don’t think we’re getting positive value for JC. Would he get the Full MLE this summer? I don’t think he would. Our best hope would be to get a different kind of contract which also has negative/neutral value or get a straight salary dump to a team with leftover cap.

I think it’s fair to expect franchises to ask themselves, “if this person were a free agent, would I sign them to this money?” But the Jazz didn’t do it with Collins so someone out there would have to do the same.

Maybe.

 

[KqWIN]

I think it’s fair to expect franchises to ask themselves, “if this person were a free agent, would I sign them to this money?” But the Jazz didn’t do it with Collins so someone out there would have to do the same.

Maybe.

Like I said, someone with leftover cap may take him in if they don’t have other uses of that money. It’s possible that a team like Detroit finds themselves in that situation.

I don’t think there would be the same optimism about Clarkson rehabbing his value than there was with Collins, however. He will be 32 and just had an awful season despite having everything catered towards him.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

Part of the reason JC struggled this year is how we used him. Clarkson off the bench as a walking bucket is a great use for him. Clarkson as a leader on a young team looking to move the ball is a skid mark on Phillip undies from Survivor.

I think Clarkson has a Jamal Crawford end to his career in the right situation.

 

[HermanG]

Part of the reason JC struggled this year is how we used him. Clarkson off the bench as a walking bucket is a great use for him. Clarkson as a leader on a young team looking to move the ball is a skid mark on Phillip undies from Survivor.

I think Clarkson has a Jamal Crawford end to his career in the right situation.

I tend to agree but it was still weird that what Clarkson actually struggled in last year was the exact things he used to be great at... which is going to his own dribble and finishing whether its by shooting or by his trademark floaters. He turned the ball over from his dribble way more and missed way way more of the type of shots he used to be pretty good at.

I guess overthinking and forcing the pass could be why.... as I feel like his passing improved while his overall decission making got worse simultaneously.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I tend to agree but it was still weird that what Clarkson actually struggled in last year was the exact things he used to be great at... which is going to his own dribble and finishing whether its by shooting or by his trademark floaters. He turned the ball over from his dribble way more and missed way way more of the type of shots he used to be pretty good at.

I guess overthinking and forcing the pass could be why.... as I feel like his passing improved while his overall decission making got worse simultaneously.

I feel like he didnt care much, he even seemed to come into the season out of shape and unmotivated. The team wasnt winning and the Guard play the first half of the year was horrendous and the second half was full on tanking. I dont think he wanted to be here playing for crappy team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I tend to agree but it was still weird that what Clarkson actually struggled in last year was the exact things he used to be great at... which is going to his own dribble and finishing whether its by shooting or by his trademark floaters. He turned the ball over from his dribble way more and missed way way more of the type of shots he used to be pretty good at.

I guess overthinking and forcing the pass could be why.... as I feel like his passing improved while his overall decission making got worse simultaneously.

Go look at Clarkson home/away splits. He didn't struggle at home (was actually fantastic)and was horrendous on the road. One of the weirder seasons from a Jazz player I'm recent memory

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think Clarkson will be a lot better this season with a permanent bench role and not being a starter. I don't mind keeping him. It would be kind of cool if he retired as a Jazz player

 

[KqWIN]

Home/away splits don’t mean anything for me. No predicative power.

 

[KqWIN]

Part of the reason JC struggled this year is how we used him. Clarkson off the bench as a walking bucket is a great use for him. Clarkson as a leader on a young team looking to move the ball is a skid mark on Phillip undies from Survivor.

I think Clarkson has a Jamal Crawford end to his career in the right situation.

He started about a third of his games last season. Clarkson started every game the year prior and was way better.

There’s always a chance a player rebounds, especially when they sucked so bad, but yall reaching way too much.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He started about a third of his games last season. Clarkson started every game the year prior and was way better.

There’s always a chance a player rebounds, especially when they sucked so bad, but yall reaching way too much.

I mean last year he was awesome when playing with a real pg... Mike. He dropped off after that. I think part of his struggles was trying to operate more as a pg. I think you are focused a bit too much on one year versus career and situation. I don't think his value is sky high. I think it is close to neutral.

I think the bad year factors in but when you look at what he was trying to do... operate as a pg more on a team that wasn't a juggernaut and didn't fit super well... and there are some legit reasons he struggled. He didn't look slower or old to me. Return back to a chucker role and he may be good.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Home/away splits don’t mean anything for me. No predicative power.

What do you mean by that?

 

[jazznik]

I tend to agree but it was still weird that what Clarkson actually struggled in last year was the exact things he used to be great at... which is going to his own dribble and finishing whether its by shooting or by his trademark floaters. He turned the ball over from his dribble way more and missed way way more of the type of shots he used to be pretty good at.

I guess overthinking and forcing the pass could be why.... as I feel like his passing improved while his overall decission making got worse simultaneously.

I think that Clarkson is one of the players who needs to be challenged to shine. He wants to play in meaningful games, he wants to be a difference-makers in the playoffs when the game is on the line. In the last two years Jordan, being a smart veteran, knew that the seasons were meaningless and that the Jazz go nowhere so he really did not care to grind it out every game and became sloppy. If the Jazz is going to keep tanking we need to trade him to the contender and Clarkson would probably return to his old form. He would be very good for OKC or the Knicks.

 

[HermanG]

Go look at Clarkson home/away splits. He didn't struggle at home (was actually fantastic)and was horrendous on the road. One of the weirder seasons from a Jazz player I'm recent memory

That is weird but sort of fits with him being a mood player. I guess the road trip vibes within the team werent great, but at home the crowd gets him going.

 

[KqWIN]

What do you mean by that?

*Predictive

 

[KqWIN]

I mean last year he was awesome when playing with a real pg... Mike. He dropped off after that. I think part of his struggles was trying to operate more as a pg. I think you are focused a bit too much on one year versus career and situation. I don't think his value is sky high. I think it is close to neutral.

I think the bad year factors in but when you look at what he was trying to do... operate as a pg more on a team that wasn't a juggernaut and didn't fit super well... and there are some legit reasons he struggled. He didn't look slower or old to me. Return back to a chucker role and he may be good.

He wasn’t that good the year before anyways. But even if you think he was, it’s just dumb to think starting was the problem when he started 100% of the time when he was “good”.

Maybe he’ll get better, he was so bad it is difficult to be worse. But as far as trade value goes, he was easily one of the worst vets in the NBA playing big minutes. He does have a favorable reputation, but can’t ignore his performance.

 

[fishonjazz]

He wasn’t that good the year before anyways. But even if you think he was, it’s just dumb to think starting was the problem when he started 100% of the time when he was “good”.

From what I can gather from the post you were responding to they were saying that clarkson struggled due to not having a pass first point guard which forced clarkson to have be more of a playmaker. I saw nothing about clarkson struggling due to starting in the post you quoted. fwiw

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He wasn’t that good the year before anyways. But even if you think he was, it’s just dumb to think starting was the problem when he started 100% of the time when he was “good”.

Maybe he’ll get better, he was so bad it is difficult to be worse. But as far as trade value goes, he was easily one of the worst vets in the NBA playing big minutes. He does have a favorable reputation, but can’t ignore his performance.

I don’t think starting was the issue… it was role and general apathy.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

My guess is he will have to be moved with some seconds. Maybe part of a trade for bad contract player