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Should the Jazz "Unleash" Collin Sexton?

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Is it crazy to think the Jazz are actually much better than any of us give them credit for? Are we taking for granted how good the core of this team can be when they arent surrounded by very negative players? Are we underrating the potential of Collin Sexton? Can the Jazz turn Sexton into the next Jalen Brunson (give him the keys and 20 shots per game)?

Why are we talking so much about reaching for a #1 option when Sexton and Lauri where two of the best offensive players in the NBA? How much further can we push Sexton forward by giving him the keys to the offense and putting role players around him and Lauri who are positive on both ends?

Lauri and Sexton were ranked 9th and 22nd overall in OBPM. I know this isnt the end all be all offensive stat, but you could make a pretty easy argument that they were two top 30 players when it comes to offense and with another bump from Sexton, could be two top 20 offensive players. Do we really need to be desperate for more primary offense? I'm not saying these two will takes us the promise land, we will probably eventually need another top offensive option, but I dont see the desperation to reach if the goal is to be competitive and position your team to take another step when the opportunity presents itself. But in the mean time, shouldnt we take our best ball-in-hand scorer and try to turn him into a guy that is seen as one of those players?

It seems like we should be targeting more 2-way players (for lack of better term) and defenders.

Right now, you could probably say OG Anunoby would be the dream UFA. I think that's about as good as a snowball's chance in hell, but who knows. Maybe we should actually swing on Patrick Williams? Maybe we should throw an offer at Isaac Okoro? Naji Marshall and Caleb Martin are safe as players who can play D while not being too much of a liability on offense. Push for Jonathan Isaacs trade?

But overall the biggest help to the defense will be Walker Kessler pulling his head out of his *** and actually developing w/o all the Eeyore vibes, John Collins getting back to being a solid defender (or offloading him w/ a better floor-spacer who is OK defensively to allow Walker to play more if he actually improves), and internal improvement from Keyonte/Hendricks (both who I assume have significant roles next year).


But after typing all that out and pondering, I would say trade for Jonathan Isaac. Clarkson +10 for Isaac seems incredibly fair to me (remind the Magic Clarkson has a very positive wingspan), after all Isaac only has a year left on his deal and they probably cant afford to bring him back. If the Magic want some other pick, I would be open to trading a future pick or some combination of picks. I know Isaac isnt the best shooter, but him at the 5 next to Lauri would let the Jazz play 5 out while still having good defensive talent. That would space the floor so the Jazz could take advantage of Sexton's scoring ability and help him on defense.

After securing Isaacs, I would use 29+32 to move up to draft Pacome Dadiet, a 6'9 forward w/ legit 3 level scoring and self-creating potential. That would give the Jazz three rookie contract prospects with self-creation potential (Keyonte/Brice/Dadiet).

Cam Johnson would be my backup option to Isaacs. Doesnt have the ceiling, but is a safe option as a sharp-shooter who is average defensively. I'd use the 10th to get him as well. I could probably talk myself into this being my primary option and Isaacs being the backup option given Cam's fit is easier next to Kessler and just generally makes roster building easier and is more reliable. I just have no idea what Brooklyn is doing so IDK if they would really value the 10th pick and John Collins? No idea.

If you dont trade the 10th pick, no more ****ing small guards. Sexton is THE small guard, and Keyonte is our mid-sized. We want size around them. Devin Carter is as small as I would go.

Only rough part is that would create a "logjam" in the frontcourt you would like to resolve by trading Collins or Walker, but I wouldnt be overly eager to make a move right away as I would like to see how a Collins/Lauri/Isaacs starting front-court fared while keeping Walker on the backburner in a backup role where he has hopefully matured.
 
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Is it crazy to think the Jazz are actually much better than any of us give them credit for? Are we taking for granted how good the core of this team can be when they arent surrounded by very negative players? Are we underrating the potential of Collin Sexton? Can the Jazz turn Sexton into the next Jalen Brunson (give him the keys and 20 shots per game)?

Why are we talking so much about reaching for a #1 option when Sexton and Lauri where two of the best offensive players in the NBA? How much further can we push Sexton forward by giving him the keys to the offense and putting role players around him and Lauri who are positive on both ends?

Lauri and Sexton were ranked 9th and 22nd overall in OBPM. I know this isnt the end all be all offensive stat, but you could make a pretty easy argument that they were two top 30 players when it comes to offense and with another bump from Sexton, could be two top 20 offensive players. Do we really need to be desperate for more primary offense? I'm not saying these two will takes us the promise land, we will probably eventually need another top offensive option, but I dont see the desperation to reach if the goal is to be competitive and position your team to take another step when the opportunity presents itself. But in the mean time, shouldnt we take our best ball-in-hand scorer and try to turn him into a guy that is seen as one of those players?

It seems like we should be targeting more 2-way players (for lack of better term) and defenders.

Right now, you could probably say OG Anunoby would be the dream UFA. I think that's about as good as a snowball's chance in hell, but who knows. Maybe we should actually swing on Patrick Williams? Maybe we should throw an offer at Isaac Okoro? Naji Marshall and Caleb Martin are safe as players who can play D while not being too much of a liability on offense. Push for Jonathan Isaacs trade?

But overall the biggest help to the defense will be Walker Kessler pulling his head out of his *** and actually developing w/o all the Eeyore vibes, John Collins getting back to being a solid defender (or offloading him w/ a better floor-spacer who is OK defensively to allow Walker to play more if he actually improves), and internal improvement from Keyonte/Hendricks (both who I assume have significant roles next year).


But after typing all that out and pondering, I would say trade for Jonathan Isaac. Clarkson +10 for Isaac seems incredibly fair to me (remind the Magic Clarkson has a very positive wingspan), after all Isaac only has a year left on his deal and they probably cant afford to bring him back. If the Magic want some other pick, I would be open to trading a future pick or some combination of picks. I know Isaac isnt the best shooter, but him at the 5 next to Lauri would let the Jazz play 5 out while still having good defensive talent. That would space the floor so the Jazz could take advantage of Sexton's scoring ability and help him on defense.

After securing Isaacs, I would use 29+32 to move up to draft Pacome Dadiet, a 6'9 forward w/ legit 3 level scoring and self-creating potential. That would give the Jazz three rookie contract prospects with self-creation potential (Keyonte/Brice/Dadiet).

Cam Johnson would be my backup option to Isaacs. Doesnt have the ceiling, but is a safe option as a sharp-shooter who is average defensively. I'd use the 10th to get him as well. I could probably talk myself into this being my primary option and Isaacs being the backup option given Cam's fit is easier next to Kessler and just generally makes roster building easier and is more reliable. I just have no idea what Brooklyn is doing so IDK if they would really value the 10th pick and John Collins? No idea.

If you dont trade the 10th pick, no more ****ing small guards. Sexton is THE small guard, and Keyonte is our mid-sized. We want size around them. Devin Carter is as small as I would go.

Only rough part is that would create a "logjam" in the frontcourt you would like to resolve by trading Collins or Walker, but I wouldnt be overly eager to make a move right away as I would like to see how a Collins/Lauri/Isaacs starting front-court fared while keeping Walker on the backburner in a backup role where he has hopefully matured.
Yes Hardy should turn Sexton loose. I have been saying this for 2 years now.

"Are we taking for granted how good the core of this team can be when they arent surrounded by very negative players?". I'm not. I have been saying we could have made the playoffs both of the last 2 years if we wanted to. "Are we underrating the potential of Collin Sexton?". Again, that's a no for me dawg. I been hyping his potential for 2 years.



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The real question is, why not? I don't know if I follow a 10 step plan to make this work....I just don't see a reason to not invest in Sexton if he's here. I thought it was kind of insane how much more they prioritized Keyonte last season and I don't even think it was necessary. Yes, they are not a match in an NBA finals series....but for now? They can absolutely play together.
 
Feels like a podcast might have talked about how we were overlooking Collin and maybe he shouldn't be viewed as just a future sixth man. There were stats and other things used to support the theory. It was mostly well received but there were some that didn't love it...
 
Feels like a podcast might have talked about how we were overlooking Collin and maybe he shouldn't be viewed as just a future sixth man. There were stats and other things used to support the theory. It was mostly well received but there were some that didn't love it...
And since that podcaster has become a pro-tanker...

The tables have been turned!

Just thought it would be a good thread because all the off-season talk has been about finding a top scoring option and that inevitably turns into a doomer conversation where people decide tanking is the best option. There hasnt been any talk all off-season about unlocking Sexton, at least not in a dedicated thread.
 
I agree we have sucked by design the last two seasons. Hands down we're a playoff/play-in team without trading 2+ rotation guys at each deadline and building our rotations around winning now, vs. our second half tank-a-thons.

I expect that tide turns this offseason/next season. No harm in seeing how a Lauri/Sexton/Keyonte offensive trio competes over the course of a competitive season + (hopeful) playoff run. 2 more years of team control on a very reasonable contract for Sexton, so if it's a bust, we can always trade him for real value.

My unanswered questions are:

1) Is a Sexton/Keyonte backcourt just too small and porous defensively?
2) Do we really have "that guy" within that trio to build a championship contender around? Superstardom has proven to be an essential ingredient for NBA championships in recent decades.
 
And since that podcaster has become a pro-tanker...

The tables have been turned!
LOL says the guy who is like... we should just do what we have done the last couple years and sell off vets late in the season. My dude... that is tanking... just not doing it well enough. But way to change the subject... glad you are finally coming around on Collin. It just takes the slower guys a little longer to get there.
 
I agree we have sucked by design the last two seasons. Hands down we're a playoff/play-in team without trading 2+ rotation guys at each deadline and building our rotations around winning now, vs. our second half tank-a-thons.

I expect that tide turns this offseason/next season. No harm in seeing how a Lauri/Sexton/Keyonte offensive trio competes over the course of a competitive season + (hopeful) playoff run. 2 more years of team control on a very reasonable contract for Sexton, so if it's a bust, we can always trade him for real value.

My unanswered questions are:

1) Is a Sexton/Keyonte backcourt just too small and porous defensively?
2) Do we really have "that guy" within that trio to build a championship contender around? Superstardom has proven to be an essential ingredient for NBA championships in recent decades.
I dont think Keyonte/Sexton is a good duo and I would want to upgrade Keyonte's starting position and have Keyonte develop as a 6th man (not to ultimately be a 6th man, just not the pressure of starting) and have him as an insurance policy next to Sexton. But at the same time I wouldnt balk at having them both start this year just to see. Maybe the improvement from Hendricks/Collins/Walker/Someone we trade those guys for improves our defense to the point where a bad backcourt can survive defensively as league average.

Maybe Keyonte ultimately becomes a trade chip to get you that star next to Sexton/Lauri. Maybe you get lucky and Sensabaugh/Hendricks/Keyonte/some guy you draft in the future turns into that player.
 
I agree we have sucked by design the last two seasons. Hands down we're a playoff/play-in team without trading 2+ rotation guys at each deadline and building our rotations around winning now, vs. our second half tank-a-thons.

I expect that tide turns this offseason/next season. No harm in seeing how a Lauri/Sexton/Keyonte offensive trio competes over the course of a competitive season + (hopeful) playoff run. 2 more years of team control on a very reasonable contract for Sexton, so if it's a bust, we can always trade him for real value.

My unanswered questions are:

1) Is a Sexton/Keyonte backcourt just too small and porous defensively?
2) Do we really have "that guy" within that trio to build a championship contender around? Superstardom has proven to be an essential ingredient for NBA championships in recent decades.
Sexton/Key is going to suck *** on defense... but we already suck *** on defense... so I think its fine to roll with it for now. Key has to prove some things and Collin needs to confirm some things. Dunn mixing in with those two as a starter or off the bench is pretty ideal for now.... if we are actually trying to make the play in this season. Sexton and Lauri provide a nice offensive baseline to generate some wins.
 
LOL says the guy who is like... we should just do what we have done the last couple years and sell off vets late in the season. My dude... that is tanking... just not doing it well enough. But way to change the subject... glad you are finally coming around on Collin. It just takes the slower guys a little longer to get there.
No, that is not tanking. It's optionality. This year might be the year the team is good enough to sell vets while still being a playoff team.

Look, go to the other thread and fantasize about Ben Simmons. This is a thread for people who want to win.
 
No, that is not tanking. It's optionality. This year might be the year the team is good enough to sell vets while still being a playoff team.

Look, go to the other thread and fantasize about Ben Simmons. This is a thread for people who want to win.
Yes the team that went 5-21 post ASB after selling off vets can sell off more vets and still make the playoffs.
 
I was one of the first to question why he wasn’t starting.

Even when he was going good and playing like an allstar it seemed like JC, coming off the bench had priority over Sexton. And seemed like he struggled to even get 28 minutes a game where JC was getting 30+ a game off the bench. And it was an off year for JC to boot
 
Yes the team that went 5-21 post ASB after selling off vets can sell off more vets and still make the playoffs.
The Jazz were playing rookies, borderline out of the league players, and complete scrubs significant minutes.

There's level and degrees of selling off and who you choose to give minutes to. I'm also advocating to add a major win now piece in Cam Johnson or Jonathan Isaac. The Jazz will also have those rookies be a year older/better/wise and wont be playing guys such as Luka Samanic and Talen Horton Tucker
 
The Jazz were playing rookies, borderline out of the league players, and complete scrubs significant minutes.

There's level and degrees of selling off and who you choose to give minutes to. I'm also advocating to add a major win now piece in Cam Johnson or Jonathan Isaac. The Jazz will also have those rookies be a year older/better/wise and wont be playing guys such as Luka Samanic and Talen Horton Tucker
Wow
 
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