Does Lauri Get Traded?

[Handlogten's Heros]

Guys, this ain't happening. We needed someone to panic and panic is not happening. Jazz just need to trade Kessler and we have a bottom 3 record WITH Lauri and Sexton.

I think this is actually a terrific pivot point.

I think that type of route puts you as like the 5th-8th worst team depending on health. Nets, Wiz, Portland, Detroit (I think they can be better), Charlotte I think all have potential to be worse for sure... one of Bulls, Hawks, or the team that ends up with an injury could also sneak in there. If we could keep both and land 4th or 5th I'd be really happy, but that likely only happens with an injury.

 

[framer]

I think that type of route puts you as like the 5th-8th worst team depending on health. Nets, Wiz, Portland, Detroit (I think they can be better), Charlotte I think all have potential to be worse for sure... one of Bulls, Hawks, or the team that ends up with an injury could also sneak in there. If we could keep both and land 4th or 5th I'd be really happy, but that likely only happens with an injury.

Seriously though, without Kessler our defense might be all time bad.we would have to score 130 every night which we aren't doing with a heavy platoon of rookies

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Just keep everyone outside of Clarkson/Collins.

If Sexton/Lauri/Kessler and company are so good they are winning games in a stacked West it's a good problem to have.

Given the fact you have a roster of 7 players under 22 who can all get minutes, I don't think that is happening and if it is then it's amazing.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Seriously though, without Kessler our defense might be all time bad.we would have to score 130 every night which we aren't doing with a heavy platoon of rookies

Lauri is better than any player on the 5 teams I named. Sexton may not be far behind. If Kessler is gone its likely Collins and the group is capable of putting up big numbers. You also have nights where other teams just miss shots and the putrid defense doesn't matter as much. I also think Kessler is on the roster to start the season.

If you want to do the tank with Lauri route... that's fine but you can't downplay what the resulting positioning loss will be. We go from bottom 3 or 4 to likely 6-8. Might be worth it if you beat the odds. The second year guys will be better but I'd say with Lauri/Kessler/Sexton you are looking at 28-32 wins if mostly healthy. Dropping Kessler maybe costs 3-4 wins... I think we will want to be in the mid to low 20s as some of those teams could get really shady.

 

[whatthe]

Now that the Lakers have Bronny they will undoubtedly win multiple championships. Mainly because Silver knows it would be good for business and it has been too long between Lakers rings. He can't have them in drought like that.

How did we miss it? Watching ESPN was the ultimate tell.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lauri is better than any player on the 5 teams I named. Sexton may not be far behind. If Kessler is gone its likely Collins and the group is capable of putting up big numbers. You also have nights where other teams just miss shots and the putrid defense doesn't matter as much. I also think Kessler is on the roster to start the season.

If you want to do the tank with Lauri route... that's fine but you can't downplay what the resulting positioning loss will be. We go from bottom 3 or 4 to likely 6-8. Might be worth it if you beat the odds. The second year guys will be better but I'd say with Lauri/Kessler/Sexton you are looking at 28-32 wins if mostly healthy. Dropping Kessler maybe costs 3-4 wins... I think we will want to be in the mid to low 20s as some of those teams could get really shady.

I'm fine with 28 games if it means we didn't take bad deals and everyone got their value increased.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm fine with 28 games if it means we didn't take bad deals and everyone got their value increased.

We've just seen what happens with Hardy... you squeeze out 32 and you may end up at 8 or 9. If we keep Lauri I would likely try and move one of Sexton or Kessler... make damn sure. Collins isn't movable without a sweetener... so he likely stays.

 

[Shad]

28 wins? We want more like 12

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

March and April next year gonna draw multiple fines.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

As the team is currently constructed I think the best case is they are extremely plucky team that doesnt pathetically lose games.

Even if Walker establishes himself as the 10th-15th best center in the NBA the fact remains is that the other center capable players are Drew Eubanks, John Collins, and Kyle Filipowski.

Even if Sexton takes another jump into a borderline AS, his backup is a rookie and Keyonte is a second year player.

I think people just have too much trauma from 2023. Less teams are tanking in the West compared to that season. The Jazz have far less veterans than they had that season. Lauri isn't going to shock the world like he did that season.

If the team is somehow decent because Keyonte and Hendricks and/or the rookies are amazing that is far better than being the 4th worst record of it means you're still in that bottom 8 range.

 

[Jaanipoeg]

We should bring over the European football loan system and just loan Lauri to Golden State for two years

win-win

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We've just seen what happens with Hardy... you squeeze out 32 and you may end up at 8 or 9. If we keep Lauri I would likely try and move one of Sexton or Kessler... make damn sure. Collins isn't movable without a sweetener... so he likely stays.

I think he made pretty damn sure with how young the roster is.

I don't see 2023 and this upcoming season as having enough parallels to make me concerned.

 

[rippimpc]

9th overall pick babyy

 

[sip]

It doesn't really grab my imagination as a fan tho.

Who cares if it grabs your imagination. What matters is putting us in the best position moving forward and I think those warriors picks would do that.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think he made pretty damn sure with how young the roster is.

I don't see 2023 and this upcoming season as having enough parallels to make me concerned.

I'm just looking at rosters. Nets, Wiz, Porty, Detroit, Hornets... all suck... lots of young guys on some of those rosters. Cade may be way better but Lauri is the best player of any imo. Hardy is very competent. There is usually a team with an early injury... I think its playing with fire a bit top 5 is critical imo

 

[MT Steve]

Who cares if it grabs your imagination. What matters is putting us in the best position moving forward and I think those warriors picks would do that.

If the Jazz were actually willing to give up Lauri for that fake garbage offer you got excited about, he would have been long gone by now.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm just looking at rosters. Nets, Wiz, Porty, Detroit, Hornets... all suck... lots of young guys on some of those rosters. Cade may be way better but Lauri is the best player of any imo. Hardy is very competent. There is usually a team with an early injury... I think its playing with fire a bit top 5 is critical imo

Top 5 is not critical in the slightest. If you can shame tank your way to it towards the end, go for it, but I don't see the need to do anything outside of what Danny has currently done, keep the roster young while retaining your core talent until someone buys so high on them it doesn't make sense to say no.

 

[NAOS_pt2]

I think this is actually a terrific pivot point.

I tend to agree.

But my brain is also apparently obsessed with the idea that the jazz should tell Lauri and Collin some version of, "Look, how about one more year where we ask you both to get well out of your comfort zone and expand your games into different skill sets? We'll lose a lot of games just one more year.... blah blah...."

 

[NUMBERICA]

I tend to agree.

But my brain is also apparently obsessed with the idea that the jazz should tell Lauri and Collin some version of, "Look, how about one more year where we ask you both to get well out of your comfort zone and expand your games into different skill sets? We'll lose a lot of games just one more year.... blah blah...."

The whole thing (keeping players in their short primes that help you win games while trying to lose games, such that you have to actively try to lose games at the coaching level or compromise all of the bottoming out that could alter your future) makes me queasy, honestly.

Again… please… can we just do this right (comprise your roster poorly so nobody has to do anything shady and it still might not work)? One time? Please?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The whole thing (keeping players in their short primes that help you win games while trying to lose games, such that you have to actively try to lose games at the coaching level or compromise all of the bottoming out that could alter your future) makes me queasy, honestly.

Again… please… can we just do this right (comprise your roster poorly so nobody has to do anything shady and it still might not work)? One time? Please?

How many teams have won significant amount of games when their entire bench consist of rookies, second year players, and under 24 year old journeymen (plus Eubanks, a 28 year old journeymen who has never impacted winning)?