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silesian said:
It’s easy. Revenue from import tariffs, a regressive tax on the poor. Take the revenue and pay for millions of Nannie’s,

Sounds like something LBJ would have dreamed up in his New Deal.

Big government solution.

Trump is not a conservative.
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Conservatism isn't necessarily small government, that's a Reagan/Thatcher ideological motivation.
 
fishonjazz said:
Lol at you thinking we ever had choice.

Also, what defines communism isn't how they choose or don't choose their leadership.

Communism is a political and economic system that aims to create a classless society where the public owns and controls the means of production. In a communist society, there is no private property, government, or currency, and wealth is divided equally or based on individual need.

Key characteristics of communism: Classless society: Communism seeks to eliminate socioeconomic class struggles by creating a society where everyone shares the benefits of labor.

Common ownership: All property and wealth are communally owned instead of by individuals.

Centrally planned production and distribution: Production and distribution are centrally planned based on the principle of "from everyone according to their skills, to everyone according to their needs".



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That’s the bait. But research the switch, if you want to understand the history of communism.

Your ignorance will lead to your starvation and death.

Again, you’re welcome.


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NUMBERICA said:
I endorse and functionally voted for having a chance as did basically every member of the party. The choice is between the end of the world (due to climate change...
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Lost me at climate change, ie: the weather.


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Rubashov said:
Conservatism isn't necessarily small government, that's a Reagan/Thatcher ideological motivation.
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Among our convictions: It is the job of centralized government (in peacetime) to protect its citizens' lives, liberty and property. All other activities of government tend to diminish freedom and hamper progress. The growth of government (the dominant social feature of this century) must be fought relentlessly.

Buckley, 1955
 
silesian said:
Among our convictions: It is the job of centralized government (in peacetime) to protect its citizens' lives, liberty and property. All other activities of government tend to diminish freedom and hamper progress. The growth of government (the dominant social feature of this century) must be fought relentlessly.

Buckley, 1955
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Among whose convictions? Frankly that sounds like Milton Friedman and he's not conservative he's a radical right wing social Darwinist. Until the 80s most conservatives were just as happy to spend on services as the next social democrat, all be it in different ways. So an Australian example would be that with the election of Whitlam's government Whitlam expanded the cabinet from the core ministries of the conservative government to included things like science, sport, women and so on. Basically the modern cabinet structure we have today, which was profoundly necessary at the time to transform the country from a colonial backwater to a modern forward thinking nation state.
 
Rubashov said:
So an Australian example would be that with the election of Whitlam's government Whitlam expanded the cabinet from the core ministries of the conservative government to included things like science, sport, women and so on.
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Really? Our cabinet members are positions like Defense to manage the nation's defense, and Agriculture to manage the nation's agriculture. Australia has a cabinet position to manage the nation's women? Based.

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Rubashov said:
Among whose convictions? Frankly that sounds like Milton Friedman and he's not conservative he's a radical right wing social Darwinist. Until the 80s most conservatives were just as happy to spend on services as the next social democrat, all be it in different ways. So an Australian example would be that with the election of Whitlam's government Whitlam expanded the cabinet from the core ministries of the conservative government to included things like science, sport, women and so on. Basically the modern cabinet structure we have today, which was profoundly necessary at the time to transform the country from a colonial backwater to a modern forward thinking nation state.
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So your position is that William F Buckley, founder of the National Review, the magazine that stimulated the conservative movement in the United States, is not a conservative?

I don’t mind debating, but when you say that the preeminent voice of American conservatism in the latter half of the twentieth century was not conservative, well I think it is best we end the conversation.
 
silesian said:
So your position is that William F Buckley, founder of the National Review, the magazine that stimulated the conservative movement in the United States, is not a conservative?

I don’t mind debating, but when you say that the preeminent voice of American conservatism in the latter half of the twentieth century was not conservative, well I think it is best we end the conversation.
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He's not a figure that has travelled, however what I will say of the American conservative movement is that I haven't regarded it as a conservative movement since Nixon, Nixon was a conservative but also a criminal. Reagan is not in my opinion conservative he and Barry Goldwater are the beginning of new right, of which Trump reflects its authoritarian extreme.
 
silesian said:
So your position is that William F Buckley, founder of the National Review, the magazine that stimulated the conservative movement in the United States, is not a conservative?

I don’t mind debating, but when you say that the preeminent voice of American conservatism in the latter half of the twentieth century was not conservative, well I think it is best we end the conversation.
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My position is that 1955 was a long time ago which makes it a bit irrelevant.

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fishonjazz said:
My position is that 1955 was a long time ago which makes it a bit irrelevant.

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I’m refuting his claim that limited government is not conservative, but rather an invention of Reagan/ thatcher. Buckley in 1955 preceded this.
 
silesian said:
I’m refuting his claim that limited government is not conservative, but rather an invention of Reagan/ thatcher. Buckley in 1955 preceded this.
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silesian said:
doesn’t sound like you’re familiar with Buckley, his writing, or his politics

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No not all familiar. He may have been around a while but small government didn't become an obsession of 'conservatives' until the oil shock and stagflation of the late 70s
 
Rubashov said:
No not all familiar. He may have been around a while but small government didn't become an obsession of 'conservatives' until the oil shock and stagflation of the late 70s
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That is ahistorical nonsense. Arguably, the administration most ardently supporting of small government in our nation's history was that of conservative Calvin Coolidge, elected 45 years before the oil shock and stagflation of the late 70s.
 
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silesian said:
So your position is that William F Buckley, founder of the National Review, the magazine that stimulated the conservative movement in the United States, is not a conservative?

I don’t mind debating, but when you say that the preeminent voice of American conservatism in the latter half of the twentieth century was not conservative, well I think it is best we end the conversation.
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So weird that this is coming up, I just rewatched Best of Enemies the other day.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzgfQvB2dvA
 
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