That's comparing apples to oranges. Kamala and Joe are not a threat to democracy.
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That's comparing apples to oranges. Kamala and Joe are not a threat to democracy.
I reckon the destabilising affect of technology coupled with the de-industrialisation of capitalist democracies, corporate media monopolies has a lot more to do with it.
Unfortunately they're not a threat to anything, they're just a holding space, they really need to be looking a tearing down the far right with the FBI as soon as possible.
TheStormofWar
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That'd be a large part of it, sure, but only insomuch as it was the mechanism for the fulfillment of daily needs of the populace. The removal of daily struggle for basic requirements for a people bent on governing themselves due to their perpetual and relative wealth when compared to their global neighbors would eventually have this effect anyway because people no longer have a reason to think beyond their daily requirements to sustain their livelihood. Think late-period Imperial Rome when they couldn't even ****bothered about the Visigoths. Not that Rome was capitalistic, but same concept where people just no longer... care.
We're pretty much talking about the same thing.
Al-O-Meter
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Tell me again how many votes Kamala got to become the nominee? Of the candidates on the ballot, Kamala is the only one to have actually quashed democracy.
Red
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Well, I do believe actually assassinating Trump would make matters far, far worse in this country. So it’s good he was not killed. I can understand people willing to say that, though, because the anger from both sides is off the charts altogether. So I cannot very well act surprised with any “wish he had not missed” reactions. If pressed, many likely won’t back down, but others would likely admit, “well, yeah, maybe I shouldn’t say such a thing”. So much anger, I’m not surprised by what people say in anger. On both sides.
We’re already in a cold civil war. For most of my life, politics was often described as “the art of compromise”. That’s long gone now, we are already engaged in a cold civil war. Prefer words to gunshots.
For sure. Incredible that it hasn't happened yet. Dems have been playing softball. The FBI should have arrested The Rapist on Jan 6.
Were Trumptards going to vote in a democrat primary? The way I see it the ones who should be complaining are the dems and they seem ok with it.
PJF
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I disagree. Trump dying of a heart attack or by any other manner would immediately give us a reset. It would give cultists who feel trapped an out. A gunman acting alone wouldn't set off riots or the like. There are those who would engage in conspiracy theories but I think things would become much more normal almost instantly.
Red
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Seems more like the Democrats we’re thinking on their feet, in a one time unexpected event, and we’re overwhelmingly supported by the Democratic electorate…
“WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Kamala Harris appears to have energized Democrats in the early days of her candidacy, with the surge in warm feelings extending across multiple groups, including some key Democratic constituencies that had been especially tepid about President Joe Biden, a new poll shows.
About 8 in 10 Democrats say they would be somewhat or very satisfied if Harris became the Democratic nominee for president, according to the survey from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, which was conducted after Biden withdrew from the race.
In a separate AP-NORC poll, taken before Biden dropped out but after his debate against Republican former President Donald Trump, only about 4 in 10 Democrats said they were somewhat or very satisfied that he was the Democratic Party’s likely nominee for president.
Dying of a heart attack is a little different than being blown away by an AK-47.
Red
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About 8 in 10 Democrats are satisfied with Harris in stark shift after Biden drops out: AP-NORC poll
Vice President Kamala Harris appears to have energized Democrats in the early days of her candidacy, with the surge in warm feelings extending across multiple groups, including some key Democratic constituencies that had been tepid about President Joe Biden.
apnews.com
Tell us, if you’re able, how Trump attempting to prevent Biden from being certified in 2020 was democratic. And no, Harris did not quash democracy. Unlike the GOP, who were simply too terrified of their candidate, and too willing to put their party above their nation when their candidate attempted to overturn the election, the Democrats were flexible, and willing to think on their feet. Apparently to the overwhelming approval of the Democratic electorate.
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Red
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Yes, it was a one time situation demanding a response. Democrats are rightly concerned about authoritarianism in America. I’m sure there are Biden supporters who did not like what happen. But according to those who don’t like it, the correct response would be: “even though it’s pretty clear now that we likely are far less likely to win the 2024 election, even while we are convinced a Trump victory would constitute an existential crisis, we must adhere to what our constitutes said in the primaries, even if current polling tells us our constitutes are begging us to pick someone else, and quickly! Our constituents are panicking and begging us to do something. Let us wisely ignore them”.
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Which they would do even if trump died of a heart attack. Somehow, to them, if trump died of a heart attack it would be the fault of the deep state leftist Marxist satanists
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TheStormofWar
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You don't have the first clue how elections or democracy work, do you.
Red
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Well, I would have to disagree, given our present climate. Some in MAGA would come up with conspiracies that Trump was given something to produce a heart attack. Certainly Democrats would be blamed. But, I do not believe the response would be the same. Not even remotely close, IMHO….
Mongoose
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TheStormofWar
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Going with random meeting of an associate? Okay.
Donald Trump used Jeffrey Epstein’s former jet for campaign appearances
The ex-president used the late convicted sex offender’s plane after his own jet developed engine problems
www.theguardian.com
We can do this all day, but I trust you get the point. Conspiracy serves no purpose.
Dunno where you're living but a lot of people I know are worried about keeping a roof over their heads.