Another religious topic......

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It requires faith and devotion to believe in it. Heck, I think it requires more faith to believe there is no God than to believe there is one. Even the demons believe.

I don't believe in atheism. I'm an atheist, because I don't believe.

Those putative demons who believe are fictional. It's like saying Paul Bunyan believed Babe the Big Blue Ox was real.

 

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Why can't a coach lead his team in prayer? The coach is an individual with Constitutional rights as well.

It's nice to see you support the rights of Muslim public school coaches coaches to pull out the prayer mats and have their entire team pray towards Mecca. I'm sure you'd be pleased that coach was teaching your kids to pray like a true Muslim.

Or, maybe you meant that only the Muslim kids would be engaging in that prayer, with all the other kids being told their religion was less worthy by their coach (by silence, if in no other way).

Do you even want tol get into what an atheist coach would be allowed to tell your kids as a pre-game meditation?

Or, maybe you're just so full of priviledge you can't see for Scat.

Your kids are being protected, just as much as anyones.

 

[LogGrad98]

Qur'an 22:47 a day in Jannah is like a thousand years on earth in which we count. The arabic word they use for day is simply a period of time or an era. When it states 6 days or 2 days or w/e it is referring era's or periods of times.

alaqa also means a leach like substance. Embyro's look like leaches.

Quran 67:5 "And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze."

It says it will punish satan with the same substance that stars are made up from. Fire hotter then anything on earth.

I am SOOO happy you brought up the light thing.

Look up this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L2oxoagQbM&feature=channel_video_title

Every living and nonliving thing including you and I and the earth and the sun was made up from light using the equation E = MC^2 back when the Big Bang happened.

So does the moon reflect light (noor) or is it made of light? Does Allah reflect light (using the same word as for the moon - noor) our is he made of light. Seems the muslims use translational inaccuracies every bit as much as the Christians when trying to explain incongruous passages of scripture.

 

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Atheism may not be a religion per se but it is most definitely a belief system. Atheists forcing their beliefs onto Christians is just as egregious as Christians forcing their beliefs on atheists.

I agree. Current US law forbids atheists to teach atheism in public schools. Sauce for the goose, etc.

 

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I have enjoyed this thread because of The Black Swordsman, and the responses to him, more than for any other reason.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Im glad you found the time between studying your midterms to type out 4 or 5 sentences and then copy and paste walls of texts from other sources.

Also I am happy you managed to find two whole verses that you finally were able to enjoy from the Qur'an.

Sometimes it is best if you offer just some background info on a topic, and then you let the person discover the other 80% by themselves. I know I've gotten posrepped from posters like the Joker, babe, Jazzspazz and others for offering good, unbiased info on the Islamic faith that really taught them a thing or two that they hadn't known earlier. Please notify me when you get the same accomplishments; until then, you're doing a terrible job of speaking of this faith that you seem to be so proud of.


Im touched that you're happy for me.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

So does the moon reflect light (noor) or is it made of light? Does Allah reflect light (using the same word as for the moon - noor) our is he made of light. Seems the muslims use translational inaccuracies every bit as much as the Christians when trying to explain incongruous passages of scripture.

Noor means borrowed light.

Allah used light that eventually turned into matter using equation E=MC^2 which eventually made us all. It was borrowed in the sense that it is no longer light and it is now you and me.

The moon borrows light from the sun and reflects sunlight at us. It borrows the suns light.

The bible says that the world is flat, grasshoppers have 4 leggs, Adam and Eve were created in heaven etc.

The Qur'an says the earth is egg shaped, Adam and Eve were created on earth in stages using material from this earthern clay.

In the Qur'an Noah's arc took place locally for one town and the surrounding area while in the Bible it was the whole world which has not happened.

There are four hour lectures about Islam and Science. The only thing Bible has going for it is that it says circle of earth and that it is held up on "nothing" (Later it says earth is flat, so don't give me bs saying circle of earth means sphere) Held on nothing is impressive since space is pretty much nothing.

The Qur'an is simply an identical version of the Bible without the problem of poor translation and over 5,300 original Greek manuscripts saying different things almost all if it in error.

 

[Hantlers]

Noor means borrowed light.

Allah used light that eventually turned into matter using equation E=MC^2 which eventually made us all. It was borrowed in the sense that it is no longer light and it is now you and me.

The moon borrows light from the sun and reflects sunlight at us. It borrows the suns light.

The bible says that the world is flat, grasshoppers have 4 leggs, Adam and Eve were created in heaven etc.

The Qur'an says the earth is egg shaped, Adam and Eve were created on earth in stages using material from this earthern clay.

In the Qur'an Noah's arc took place locally for one town and the surrounding area while in the Bible it was the whole world which has not happened.

There are four hour lectures about Islam and Science. The only thing Bible has going for it is that it says circle of earth and that it is held up on "nothing" (Later it says earth is flat, so don't give me bs saying circle of earth means sphere) The hands on nothing is impressive since space is pretty much nothing.

The Qur'an is simply an identical version of the Bible without the problem of poor translation and over 5,300 original Greek manuscripts saying different things almost all if it in error.

Where does it say these things in the Bible?

 

[Hantlers]

Dalamon...I'm confused. When you told me to pay attention to the tolerance thing, were you trying to point out that I was being intolerant? If so, I apologize as that was never what I was trying to do. I may not agree with what you believe in, but I respect you and your beliefs. If I offended you, I apologize.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Dalamon...I'm confused. When you told me to pay attention to the tolerance thing, were you trying to point out that I was being intolerant? If so, I apologize as that was never what I was trying to do. I may not agree with what you believe in, but I respect you and your beliefs. If I offended you, I apologize.

Oh absolutely not. I checked back on your post:

Well, Christian means Christ-follower. So following Christ is what it means to be a Christian. Just believing that He is the Son of God does not mean you are a Christian. Rough paraphrase of what it says in the Bible, "Even the demons believe."

I may be wrong on this, so I will accept any criticism on this....but Muhammad is the chief prophet of the Islamic religion. Muhammad committed many, many acts of murder and such. Now there are different types of Islam just like there are different denominations of Christianity such as, Baptist, Pentecostal, Non-Denominational, Presbyterian. I could be completely off though, I studied the Islamic religion a long time ago and I'm probably a little rusty on their beliefs and history.


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and it really seemed like you had heard something, and were hoping that someone would clarify it. Instead of answering the question in my own words, I managed to find an article that basically answered your question of whether Muhammad himself was a murder-prone extremist, with alleged quotes from his lifetime.

Thats pretty much it. I have always been a person that is not easy to offend, and Im simply giving you some insight on a point that seemed to me that you didn't know too much about. I am very happy to hear that you respect my beliefs, despite the fact that they differ from yours (although not by much )

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Where does it say these things in the Bible?

Leviticus 11:20-23

Unless you say there are some insects with four leggs that are now extinct....

The flat earth reference was in an 2 hour video that I will have to fish through to find.

Genesis 2:8 something about creating man and then planting him in a garden afterwards.

 

[Stoked]

Leviticus 11:20-23

Unless you say there are some insects with four leggs that are now extinct....

The flat earth reference was in an 2 hour video that I will have to fish through to find.

Genesis 2:8 something about creating man and then planting him in a garden afterwards.

So you don't argue that a divine power created the earth and everything in it but you have a problem with that power creating man and then dropping him off instead of doing it "on site"?

 

[Hantlers]

Leviticus 11:20-23

Unless you say there are some insects with four leggs that are now extinct....

The flat earth reference was in an 2 hour video that I will have to fish through to find.

Genesis 2:8 something about creating man and then planting him in a garden afterwards.

Here's an interesting article regarding the Leviticus passage that I found. Check it out and tell me what you think.

https://www.icr.org/article/does-bible-really-claim-that-insects-only-have-fou/

In regards to the flat Earth comment, Isaiah 40:22 says, "22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth..."
Now in my mind, I would imagine that is referring to the Earth being a circle, aka round.

In regards to Genesis 2:8, context is important.
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.

As you can see in verse 7, it states that God formed man from the dust. Now then, I think it's safe to assume the dust of the ground that God formed man (Adam) from was on the Earth He just created, since it is what was being talked about in the previous verses. God then created a Garden and placed Adam there. I'm not getting where you think that it says God created Adam in Heaven. BTW, I used the New King James version, just in case you're curious.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

I apologize I guess I was misinformed on this one or I just can't find it. Hey man I think the Bible is the word of god just like Christians. Even Christians state that the Bible in today's form is not the same bible that was originally released. The only difference is that I believe Muhammad (PBUH) released the Qur'an which fixed some of the things in the Bible that were wrong or poorly expressed(For example google search "Dead Sea Scrolls").

 

[Deleted member 848]

I apologize I guess I was misinformed on this one or I just can't find it. Hey man I think the Bible is the word of god just like Christians. Even Christians state that the Bible in today's form is not the same bible that was originally released. The only difference is that I believe Muhammad (PBUH) released the Qur'an which fixed some of the things in the Bible that were wrong or poorly expressed(For example google search "Dead Sea Scrolls").

 

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What I've learned from this thread:
There are different types of Muslims (TBS and dalamon) just like there are different types of Mormons (beantown and Trout and colton). Who would have ever thunk that?

 

[Stoked]

What I've learned from this thread:
There are different types of Muslims (TBS and dalamon) just like there are different types of Mormons (beantown and Trout and colton). Who would have ever thunk that?

But people do not want to see people as individuals. People only want to see people as groups. Mormon, Muslim, American, Russian, Black, Hispanic, Democrat, Libertarian,...

 

[Deleted member 848]

What I've learned from this thread:
There are different types of Muslims (TBS and dalamon) just like there are different types of Mormons (beantown and Trout and colton). Who would have ever thunk that?

Stop speaking such nonsense- logic has no place in this neck of the woods.

 

[PearlWatson]

The poor will look for any venue to share the belief that they are victims, be it religion, media, or commiserating with themselves. When you don't have much, and a country has a history of racial discrimination, it doesn't take much to shape that. Hell, Christians whine about how they're oppressed and they're a majority.

You type as though black churches aren't Christian.

 

[Stoked]

You type as though black churches aren't Christian.

Depends on the church I'd say.